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Day 111 · 02 Jun 2026 · 10:38:24 broadcast

Hearing day 111

Witnesses: Warrant Officer Karl Sanders, Lieutenant Colonel Songca, Colonel Khuzwayo. Evidence Leader: Adv Segeels Ncube Witness: Lieutenant Colonel Duma. Evidence Leader: Adv Sikhakhane.

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321 transcript pages
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Crime Intelligence operatives provide intelligence which is sometimes just accepted and operationalised based on prior working relationship and trust.

Commissioner, you get to know your intelligence operatives. Some of them will take a chance on information, but we do have members that we have worked for, for years. And if he comes to me with information, he presents the information to me, I will accept it as fact and I will operationalise it.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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The relationship between the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) and Crime Intelligence in drug busts is very good and characterized by ongoing trust and collaboration.

Commissioners, I am going to say it is brilliant. We have a very good working relationship. I cannot do my work without them. And then once they have generated intelligence, they cannot do their work without us. So I would say it is highly, that is an incorrect word, I will say it is an ongoing working relationship with trust built between each other.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Sometimes Crime Intelligence operatives attend the scene of seizures as covert observers, known as 'ghosts', who must not be identified in the community or normal policing space and do not get involved directly in the crime scene.

When he comes to the scene, he does not get involved in my crime scene per se. He will be an observer. ... when I say they are a ghost, it is a person that must not be identified in a community space. It is also a person that must not be identified in the normal policing space. They are covert operatives.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Crime Intelligence operatives do not actively get involved in crime scenes such as collecting exhibits or processing suspects, to avoid exposing undercover operatives in court.

It is highly untoward that an operative gets involved actively with a crime scene and collecting exhibits, processing suspects and stuff like that because that means he is going to end up in court. So exposing an undercover operative.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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If Crime Intelligence operatives provide information about containers and have the necessary permissions, Warrant Officer Sander proceeds with inspections and arranges follow-ups as required, but does not verify the permissions independently.

It is positive on both of the scenarios given to me at the moment. Yes, on both. ... But if the instruction given to me is the container is stacked for you, it is ready for inspection, go look there, I will go and look. But in the other version of when the information comes and then I have to do the necessary follow-ups and arrangements, yes, I do that.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander stated that one cannot enter a yard and start work without yard management being present, confirming presence with a member from operations or the yard.

10 out of 10 times, you cannot enter that yard and start working without the yard management being present with you. So someone from operations, someone from the yard will be there, so that confirms your presence with that member.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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If there is high confidence of drugs in a container and risk of theft, Warrant Officer Sander is prepared to use the necessary laws to seize and access the container without waiting for permissions to prevent narcotics moving quickly.

If my information is 100% positive, I trust my CI, they say to me go to that container, there is drugs there, go there now quickly. I am going to do the same zest and zeal, and go there quickly and start working. ... I am not going to wait for their permission. I will use the necessary laws to go and seize that container and gain access so I can stop the movement of those narcotics. ... a container can move very quickly.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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If relying solely on intelligence information from Crime Intelligence that a container holds drugs, Warrant Officer Sander acts on reasonable suspicion, even if the information is wrong, because of the risk of delay and narcotics moving fast.

Commissioner, maybe I heard this, so yes, I am relying on the reasonable suspicion. ... if that information is wrong and you have opened a container without the necessary authorisations, what are you relying upon, the suspicion that there are drugs there, and is it a reasonable suspicion if you are only relying upon the evidence or the information you are getting from a CI?
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander states that container yards operate as businesses where containers get paid for every day they are there and inspectors need cooperation from the yard to do their job effectively.

That container in that yard gets paid for every single day that it is there. It is an economy in our country. But my job is to do my job, now and today. So I will extend the invitation, guys, I need to inspect this container now. How long? You are messing me around, I am doing it without you. It is under camera, I have got witnesses, I proceed.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander says inspectors must speak to the container yard manager or operations manager and need resources to move containers, as they are not equipped to do so alone.

I do speak to the container yard manager. I will speak to the operations manager, I will speak to whoever is there. The more people there give me more resources. I do not have the resources to move certain items. I am not superman to lift a container. So for me to do my job in that environment, I need them.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander explains that securing containers at yard takes place with seals, sometimes by SARS or the yard itself to insure against loss, requiring cordial relationships between police and yards.

When I close that container, I do not have a container seal. So if it is a SARS detention, SARS needs to be there to put their seal on, but then the container yard must still supply me the resources to reseal that container, which is their yard seal. For insurance, they need to document that because it is a loss to that company. So the cordial relationship must exist.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander describes that entry to container yards is a secure process requiring notification and often escort, vehicle scanning, and compliance with health and safety rules.

You cannot just get into that yard without them knowing that you are there. It is a secure premises. For most of these yards, you either go in under escort, you are scanned in, they scan your vehicle, they do everything. Depending on the level of occupation health and safety, your vehicle might not even be allowed in. So you walk. So they know you are there, then it is just good manners to go and introduce yourself and say this is what we are busy with, we might be here a little bit, we might be here long, or I need the following resources.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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When a container is detained for inspection, shippers can choose which yard the container will be inspected at, often with notification and booking for space, but container yards like Durban Container Terminal must cooperate by providing resources and facilitating quick unpacking and movement upon request.

If a container or a set of containers is brought in for inspection, and then they get detained, let us say they get detained before inspection, they will then say, take them to this yard. There is a booking that I can accommodate them for you for this week. Otherwise they will go into a stack where they are paying cheap rental while it is being installed. So in this case, CHC or LCS or Grindrod, they will say to you, okay, I have got five spaces for five containers today, then in two days' time you can do the next containers for inspection ... the shipping agent or the shippers, they do say, listen, this cargo is going to LCS, the cargo is going to Grindrod, the cargo is going to CHC. They can choose that. But there are some instances where we know that, like Durban Container Terminal, there is relationships, I need a container check today, I will phone them, hey guys, I need a favour, can I bring a container to you quickly?
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander details undercover operations conducted under section 252A of the Criminal Procedure Act to detect drugs on vessels, involving boarding ships and using substances like baby powder as decoys.

It is an undercover operation. It is conducted in terms of section 252A of the Criminal Procedure Act. Me as an Investigating Officer, I have done a few of them. I have boarded vessels at sea. We found the drugs. We swabbed the drugs. We put baby powder. We put something, it looks the same, along with the ...
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Controlled drug deliveries have a high risk and challenges due to technical surveillance limitations and the risk of drugs going missing, which leads to charges for the officers.

A controlled delivery is the ultimate to catch them red-handed. But the risk, the risk is huge... We have tried... if I do not explain it to the Commission, you are going to think we are not doing the job. But we are.
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Warrant Officer Sanders himself has not had a success with controlled drug deliveries, although others have.

I have not had a success, Commissioner. But other people have had success.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Suspects often know about surveillance devices or their presence and thus do not pick up the bait in controlled deliveries.

On occasions, the suspects know the devices or the surveillance is in place. So they do not pick it up.
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The port environment is highly secured and controlled by syndicates, which makes autonomous surveillance operations nearly impossible without detection.

The port itself is a fenced environment... every access point is controlled. If your syndicate controls the access to the port, they have got access to drug flow in and out... If I operate in the port, I cannot operate with autonomy without anyone around me...
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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All port operations involving placing a transponder device on a drug container are known to the ship's crew and harbor, thus broadcasting the operation and reducing the likelihood of success.

I must tell the captain, the ship's engineer, the first mate, that I need to go below deck and put a transponder and open the container... You are broadcasting your whole operation before it even starts.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Some intercepted drug shipments have their own transponder devices that track the shipments independently from the police.

We have intercepted drug shipments where we found their own transponder devices inside those bags. So they themselves are tracking their shipment...
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Criminals controlling drug shipments have better technology than the police, requiring the police to constantly change strategy.

They have better technology than we do... So we have to out-think them all the time... So as of today we must now change our strategy again.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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During a drug bust at Maydon Wharfs, the police unpacked bags that were suspected to contain cocaine bricks and conducted fingerprinting and DNA analysis on the evidence.

At this point LCRC is present, and as we are unpacking, we are starting to catalogue and diarise what we have found... We open one of the bags to establish what the actual contents is... going from a black bag that we suspect to contain Cocaine, going to establish that it contains bricks of suspected Cocaine... now what we are doing is literally opening each bag and decanting the contents of the bag into exhibit bags... fingerprinting... finish the DNA on the bags on the handles.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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The police use various sized plastic bags with unique alphanumeric identifiers for exhibit packaging when handling seized narcotics.

They come from a tiny little bag like this, which we call a bullet bag... we call them computer bags, bed bags... they come in numerous sizes which the state has made for them. Each bag is unique in its alphanumeric substance...
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander states he uses a crime scene kit in his vehicle for evidentiary operations.

I have a crime scene kit in the back of my vehicle
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06Location: port/yards
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The team took from morning until night to bag all exhibits during the operation at the yard, which is not a bonded warehouse.

We started in the morning. We finished in the night
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06Location: yard
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judicial process
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Sources give information to the police through a process including source claims that are documented and rewarded upon recovery and conviction, but may lose interest as their role is intelligence.

A source gave certain information to the police, so a source claim would then be submitted through their processes. The source claim would have to come to me, because I would have to put a copy of this docket with it to show how the source gave the information or validated that source information. So they would then have an understanding of what I have done with the exhibits because the source gets rewarded on a recovery. The source gets rewarded on a recovery and then a conviction. So at a certain point, they might lose interest in the docket because their intention is intelligence.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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The intelligence operative sometimes arrives on scene and sometimes remains unseen to gather information that gets accounted for in the SAP 13 system.

The intelligence operative that tips you off, and you say sometimes they will be on the scene and sometimes they are ghosts because they do not want to be seen, do they eventually get to know that what was offloaded, what they were tipped and what was offloaded is in fact fully accounted for on your SAP 13?
YouTube 58:22
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Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) is not called to recovery scenes; investigating officers do sampling and guiding without involving clan labs or FSL.

If an Investigating Officer calls FSL to come to the scene of a recovery to guide his members or her members with taking sampling, with doing sampling, have you ever heard of anything like that occurring, and why would that happen? ... Commissioner, I can say no, and I do not know why it would happen.
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBE / WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Intelligence handlers maintain communication to track ongoing matters and ensure progress in investigations even long after initial information is gathered.

They do of follow-ups. I have intelligence handlers that speak to me from matters way back because we still talk, and they have not been finalised. So they do check upon matters.
YouTube 1:00:17
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Sampling on recovery scenes differs from FSL's chemical analysis labs; customs are involved in chemical sampling and detention of suspected illicit chemicals, not FSL on scenes.

If I am dealing with illicit chemicals which I suspect to be used in the manufacture of narcotics... Customs gets involved, because Customs can take samples from containers and stuff like that, and they have a laboratory... But personally, Commissioner, I will say I have not had experience in sampling or doing that on the scene.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Investigating officers can perform presumptive testing (like cocaine identification) on the scene without assistance from FSL.

If you, as the Investigating Officer, wanted to know whether what you are dealing with is Cocaine on the scene, what you found, you could do a presumptive test. You would not need FSL to come out to do that. ... No, I would do that. A presumptive test I can do on the scene.
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBE / WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Presumptive tests are investigative leads only, involving simple field tests, not formal analysis that FSL does.

It is something totally different, Commissioner. Remember, a presumptive test does not come with a 212 statement. It is just an investigative lead. It is a little swab. It is the same as having a dog bark at the drugs. It is not what FSL does. It is a presumptive test just saying to me, yes, you are on the right track, carry on.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Investigating officers have requested FSL to advise on how to destroy exhibits when FSL storage time is limited.

Have you ever requested FSL to enquire from FSL how to go about destroying exhibits if they take time to make storage available for your exhibits? ... I have, due to correspondence in matters that I have, and it was requested to me that I correspond, that I can move exhibits to them for destruction. Yes, I have.
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBE / WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Phones left at a scene are generally destroyed rather than returned or auctioned due to sensitive information; Exhibit Clerk is authorized to destroy such phones.

If I have a suspect that has left a phone at a scene and the matter is finalised, a cell phone is now destroyed. So you authorise the Exhibit Clerk to have that phone destroyed. How they do it, they squash it, they break it, or they send it to a scrapyard, I do not know. But there is an authorisation that is done to destroy that exhibit.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Only Forensic Science Laboratory is authorized to destroy exhibits, following strict protocols; Investigating Officers are not authorized to destroy exhibits themselves.

There is only one authorised entity that destroys exhibits, and that is Forensic Science Laboratory. ... I am not authorised to destroy an exhibit.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:05:42
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All firearms are sent to Division Ballistics to be destroyed; destruction does not occur anywhere else and is processed at a nodal point.

Firearms are the same, Commissioner. All firearms go to Division Ballistics. Only they destroy them from there. It is not destroyed anywhere else. They all get processed at one point. We call it a nodal point.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:07:44
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A June 2021 seizure involved a container classified as bone meal, which is a waste animal product detained automatically by Veterinary Services of the Department of Health.

This relates to the June 2021 seizure... When the vessel arrives offshore, it submits a notice to discharge to the Port Authority... The person that packed this would have given it a classification and a commodity code... I see it is bone meal. It is an animal product. It is a waste product. There is a system in place that flags these items automatically. And what it does is it automatically places a detention on that consignment... The detention notice here is the Department of Health, Veterinary Services.
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 2021
YouTube 1:09:29
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Veterinary Services and Department of Health do not have their own bonded warehouse; inspections happen at the location chosen by the shipper.

Veterinary Services and Department of Health do not have their own bonded warehouse and whatever. Where would these get inspected? The yard that the shipper has chosen?
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBE / WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:11:16
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The South African Revenue Service (SARS) issued a detention notice dated 23 June 2021 related to illicit trade, one day after a seizure on 22 June 2021.

there is a detention notice from SARS, a SARS detention notice, illicit trade . It is dated the 23rd of June 2021, so that is the day after the seizure . The seizure was on the 22nd of June
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06-22/23
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SARS issues detention notices automatically and formally from its Illicit Trade Group to import managers for containers flagged for investigation after they have been placed in the yard.

the detention notice is placed automatically. Now they are doing a formal notice, and that is what this piece of paper is. It is a formal notice from the SARS Illicit Trade Group to the import manager, saying we want to look at those 10 containers that you have landed .
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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SARS was not suspecting drugs in the containers but was looking for illicit or wrongly declared goods.

It is not because SARS suspects that there is drugs on these. They are looking for illicit goods .
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:15:05
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judicial process
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Warrant Officer Sander had his scarce skills allowance and service allowance cancelled with immediate effect on 14 July 2025 because he was placed at Supply Chain Management in the Provincial Office and was not performing operational duties.

On 14 July 2025 , I received a written notice of cancellation of my scarce skills allowance and service allowance with immediate effect . The reason given being that I am currently placed in Supply Chain Management at the Provincial Office and not performing any operational duties .
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2025-07-14
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corruption
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Warrant Officer Sander was temporarily placed at Provincial Support Services DPCI KZN pending the outcome of a corruption investigation against him and requested immediate written confirmation on the outcome and status of that placement.

I was temporarily placed at the Provincial Support Services DPCI KZN , pending the outcome of the investigation . In the circumstances , I hereby request immediate written confirmation of the outcome of the initial investigation and the consequent status of my temporary placement .
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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corruption
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Warrant Officer Sander was notified on or about 19 December 2024 by Colonel Jacob that an investigation (case number KZN DPCI/DR4/2024) was finalized and he was issued a verbal warning for allegations against him.

On or about 19 December 2024 , Colonel Jacob phoned me and informed me that the investigation under case number KZN DPCI/DR4/2024 had been finalised and that he was issuing me with a verbal warning in respect to the allegations against me .
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2024-12-19
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Warrant Officer Sander stated he never applied for transfer or replacement at Provincial Support Services DPCI KZN and currently holds a post of Investigator at Serious Organised Crime Durban.

I have never applied for a transfer to or replacement at Provincial Support Services DPCI KZN , nor do I hold or occupy a specific post number at Provincial Support Services DPCI KZN . I currently hold a post of Investigator at Serious Organised Crime Durban .
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Warrant Officer Sander requested immediate reinstatement of his scarce skills allowance and service allowance and return to his position at Durban Serious Organised Crime to perform usual operational duties.

I believe that I should be placed back in my position at Durban Serious Organised Crime to perform my usual operational duties as soon as possible with the immediate reinstatement of my scarce skills allowance and service allowance .
WARRANT OFFICER SANDERDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:24:35
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victimisation
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Warrant Officer Sander was charged for failing to declare directorship in a shooting club related to victimisation issues within the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI).

the verbal warning was in consequence of the alleged, well, that you failed to declare your directorship in the shooting club
ADV SEGEEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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corruption
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Two senior Hawks officers were arrested on allegations, one of them being released on bail and returning to work without disciplinary action despite serious charges of extortion or corruption.

One of the ladies there was arrested for extortion or corruption ... The person came back to work, nothing happened
Warrant Officer SanderDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:32:07
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A whistleblower at the DPCI was victimised immediately after reporting complaints and subsequently moved to a different environment still within DPCI but another part of the province.

The whistle blower got victimised straight away. The whistle blower has since moved to a totally different environment, but still within the DPCI, but in a different part of the province now
YouTube 1:33:32
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police conduct
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The arrested colleague out on bail reports ultimately to General Senona, with immediate reporting to Colonel Mangole under him.

who does that person report to ? Ultimately to the General ... The immediate is obviously the group Commander. It is Colonel Mangole... And Colonel Mangole falls under General Senona
Warrant Officer SanderDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:34:43
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judicial process
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Warrant Officer Sander made a complaint about loss of exhibits and docket disappearance, but has not received an acknowledgement or written response to the complaint submitted to Captain Sibiya.

The complaint was about the loss of exhibits... You submitted it to Captain Sibiya. Did you receive a response? No ... the answer is still no.
YouTube 1:35:18
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judicial process
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An investigation was conducted related to complaints by Warrant Officer Sander but unrelated to the issues he complained about; the subject was found guilty in court but was not dismissed or discharged.

there was a investigation but on different cases, not those cases ... The member was eventually found guilty in court, but the member was not dismissed, the member... discharge
Warrant Officer SanderDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:37:01
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political interference
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Warrant Officer Sander was temporarily placed in another department because his superiors were moving him out of the way due to him interfering with drug traffickers' activities.

you were temporarily placed in another department because your superiors were moving you out of the way because you were stepping on the toes of the drug traffickers
YouTube 1:40:50
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other
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Warrant Officer Sander believes he has done a good job and made some good recoveries but has not received any accolade, appraisal, award, or nomination for his work.

I have made some good recoveries. I think I have done a very good job. I do not need anyone else to tell me that. It is in my heart. If I was not doing a good job, I would not have been here. Never have I received an accolade, an appraisal, an award, or a nomination at the Prestige Awards or anything for the work done.
Warrant Officer SanderDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:42:05
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political interference
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Warrant Officer Sander asserts there is no other logical reason for his transfer except because he was interfering with someone's activities.

There is no other logical reason, Commissioner. If I was not interfering with someone's activities, they would have left me. But if I was efficient to interrupt their activities, I was targeted.
Warrant Officer SanderDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:43:24
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political interference
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Warrant Officer Sander believes that once a complaint is found to have no merit, the person should be returned to their previous position, but he has not been returned, suggesting that they do not want him there.

even if there was an initial complaint, you believe that once it was found not to have merit, you should have been returned to your old position? Correct, Commissioner. And the fact that you have not been returned suggests to you at least that they do not want you there? Correct, Commissioner.
ADV KHUMALO SC and Warrant Officer SanderDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:43:40
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judicial process
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Warrant Officer Sander failed a polygraph test but was only unofficially informed and never received the official polygraph failure report until seeing it at the Commission.

I am telling you, I have never seen that report until yesterday. It is scary. And then you see your name there, and you say, hold on, this is the thing that I have been looking for all my life just to say I did not do it. ... You put the report in front of me yesterday. I even said to you, am I allowed to even see this. It is the first time I have seen that. ... No, you failed. ... Until yesterday, all right, thank you.
Warrant Officer Sander and ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:44:35
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judicial process
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The polygraph examiner made serious errors during the polygraph examination, the test was considered invalid and Warrant Officer Sander was exonerated and the examiner stopped from conducting further tests.

A non-conformance was opened and investigated against the polygraph examiner. The test was considered invalid so that the examinee was not prejudiced by the errors of the polygraph examiner. The polygraph examiner in question was stopped from conducting any further polygraph examinations thereafter.
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBE with email from Lieutenant Colonel Subsection Commander of Polygraph KZN Forensic Science LaboratoryDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:50:09
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police conduct
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Lieutenant Colonel Justice Jabulani Duma is the Unit Commander attached to the Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime unit in Durban within Crime Intelligence, KwaZulu-Natal.

I am Justice Jabulani Duma. I am a Lieutenant Colonel in the South African Police Service. I am attached to Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime, Durban, Intelligence Collection in Crime Intelligence. And I am a Unit Commander in MPOC, Durban in KwaZulu-Natal.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 1:58:15
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police conduct
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Lieutenant Colonel Duma reports operationally to his Section Commander, a full Colonel, who reports to a Brigadier, the Section Head, who then reports to the Provincial Head of Crime Intelligence, who reports to the Divisional Commissioner.

I report to my Section Commander, who is a full Colonel, and who reports to the Brigadier, who is the Section Head, who then reports to the Provincial Head, Crime Intelligence. And the next person in command will be the Divisional Commissioner.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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criminality
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The Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime unit investigates syndicates involved in serious and violent crimes such as armed robberies, cash-in-transit robberies, business robberies, and murders.

basically, we are dealing with Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime, where we investigate syndicates involved in serious and violent crime nature, which is armed robberies, which include CIT’s and business robberies and murders.
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There is no formal need or structure for the Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime unit leadership to interact with the leadership of the Hawks, except for formal applications when assistance is required.

No, there is no formal, unless it is something that needs an application where you need to submit when you request whatever, you will be requesting them to assist you with.
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Operational interaction between the Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime unit and the Directorate of Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) occurs at the ground level and involves a memorandum of understanding.

Operationally, we do interact at the ground level. And at senior level, there is an interaction between CI Section Head, Provincial Head and Provincial Head of DPCI, which will also include National Prosecuting Authority.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Lieutenant Colonel Duma matriculated in 1991, joined the South African Police in 1992, was appointed as a Constable in 1995, promoted to Sergeant in 1996, Warrant Officer in 2000, Captain in 2009, and appointed as Lieutenant Colonel and Unit Commander of Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime in Durban on 26 March 2012.

I matriculated in 1991, joined the South African Police in 1992, before SAP was amalgamated to the South African Police Service in 1995 and appointed as a Constable. I served in the uniformed branch currently known as Visible Policing at Westville SAP. I studied technical assay in Durban, National Diploma, Policing Management, but did not finalise or complete studies. I was appointed to the rank of a Sergeant in 1996 and in the year 2000, I was appointed to the rank of a Warrant Officer. In 2009, I was appointed to the rank of a Captain. I joined Crime Intelligence in 012 and attached to Security Intelligence in Border Security, which is in Crime Intelligence KwaZulu-Natal, and became an intelligence operative. In 026-03-01, I was appointed as a Lieutenant Colonel and the Unit Commander of Multi-Dimensional Organised Crime, Durban, intelligence collection.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 1991-2009, 2012-03-01
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The mandate of Division Crime Intelligence is to gather, correlate, evaluate and analyse information to prevent and combat crime, and to provide Crime Intelligence in support of the operational requirements of the operational components of the SAPS.

The mandate of Division Crime Intelligence is to gather, correlate, evaluate and analyse information to prevent and combat crime... The primary focus is to provide Crime Intelligence in support of the operational requirements of the operational components of the SAPS.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Reports of intelligence gathered are submitted to the commander who signs them off, after which they are registered and forwarded to the Intelligence Analysis Centre for dissemination to all operational components of the SAPS.

Intelligence gathered is reduced to writing by the operative and submitted to the commander who will sign off the report. The report is registered and forwarded to the Intelligence Analysis Centre where the reports and the information get disseminated to relevant addresses which are on the reports within Crime Intelligence and all operational components of the SAPS.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Adhoc information does not require approval from the commander to be operationalised and is a key performance area for members to conduct operations.

The Adhoc information does not need any approval from the commander to be operationalised. But it is one of the members' key performance areas to conduct operations.
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Adhoc information refers to information that is not planned but comes in emergently and must be operationalised immediately.

When we refer to Adhoc operation, we refer to information that is not planned. Information that comes in an emergency way where you just received it and then you have to operationalise. It is not information that is where maybe you have a progressive investigation that you have been dealing with, but it is information that just comes by the way and then you grab it and then you operationalise it.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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The process of gathering evidence or intelligence starts with identifying threats via crime statistics, conducting a threat analysis, gathering information from sources, and then planning, directing and conducting operations, followed by analysis, production, dissemination, action and feedback.

Basically, we will be going back to our intelligence collection process where we sit, we look at the crime statistics, and we identify the threats that are a problem... we then task our sources on the ground to look into the threats... From there, you start gathering information with regards to the threats... you evaluate the information... you analyse it... you hand it to the analyst to analyse it... and then from there, you will know exactly what you are dealing with, which is the interpretation... and then from there, it is production... From there, you disseminate it... it is action which means you operationalise it... Once you have operationalised it, you get feedback from the operational team... and then from there, you close your investigation.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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The intelligence collection and operationalising process requires registration of enquiries, engagement with pre-project and full-blown project phases, and the involvement of multiple offices including DPCI, NPA, Asset Forfeiture, surveillance and other SAPS units.

The process is that, as I have explained, which runs from enquiry to pre-project, then to a full-blown project... You will have to have your operational team, which will include DPCI, which will include NPA, and which will also include other offices like your Asset Forfeiture, and other relevant units within SAPS, your surveillance and everything.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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During operationalising, engagement with prosecutors is necessary to keep the focus on the threats and avoid deviation.

In most cases, you will have to engage with the prosecutor to get the guidance going forward, so that you do not go off and focus somewhere else, so that you keep your gathering focused with regards to the threats that you are dealing with.
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Information from sources is reported to a handler who compiles intelligence reports and submits them to the commander for approval.

The handler who collects information. The handler who is a foot soldier. He gathers information, he compiles intelligence reports, he submits to the commander. The commander reads the reports, he signs off the reports.
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Information received varies and requires different handling depending on whether it is early warning, imminent crime, or specific actionable intelligence.

It depends what information you are reporting on. Is it information, early warning, something that needs attention? Or is it a crime that is about to be committed?
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Handlers in Crime Intelligence have registered informants as well as non-registered human sources who provide information without financial reward.

Sources, you would have sources that you have registered as informants. Sometimes you have sources that are not registered. You would have contacts, people who provide you information, who are not expecting any financial pay.
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Ad hoc information is received in emergency situations and requires immediate operationalisation and cooperation for quick response.

It is information that is not in the planning. Like, for example, if you are running an enquiry, you have a progressive investigation. But something that come now... you get a team to go over there and arrest him. That is what we refer to as Ad hoc cooperation.
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Standard Operational Procedure at ports requires operational to brief commander on container smuggling intelligence, and commander to then brief section head of VPO, Visible Policing and Operations at ORS.

Crime Intelligence procedures. When an operative has information relating to smuggling within containers at these ports at Durban Harbour, the intelligence operative must brief the commander on the information. The commander will analyse the intelligence and once all the relevant information is gathered, the commander will then brief the section head of the VPO, Visible Policing and Operations at ORS.
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Borders security is responsible for gathering intelligence to address threats of all criminal syndicates involving cross-border crimes in land, air, and sea borders.

Borders security is responsible in gathering intelligence to address the threats of all criminal syndicates involved in organised crime related to cross-border crimes in land, air and sea borders.
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Intelligence is only shared with section head to prevent information leaks, and is retained confidentially by them.

The intelligence is only shared with the section head to prevent information from being leaked. We retain the intelligence pundits as well. We do not disseminate immediately in order to prevent the information from being leaked.
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Police or Directorate for Crime Investigation can board vessels within 12 nautical miles to conduct search and seizure of containers suspected to carry drugs under Section 16.3 of the Police Act.

If the vessel is within 12 nautical miles, 24 kilometres at sea the police or the Directorate for Crime Investigation may use Section 16.3 of the Police Act to board the vessel and conduct a search and seizure.
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In counter-narcotics operations in the area, containers suspected of containing drugs are inspected with the involvement of DPCI if drugs are found positive.

Basically, in operations that are conducted in this area let us say you are getting information of a container that is coming. Maybe your information says it has counter-narcotics. So, you have two ways of doing it. After requesting a stop or arrest to put a stop you can request the DPCI to be present or you can ask the ORS inspection team to open the container for inspection to confirm what commodities are inside or if there is drugs inside. And if there are drugs, if it is positive, then you summon the DPCI to come to the scene.
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Sensitive operations most probably involve counter-narcotics activities which require special handling of sensitive information.

Sensitive operations most probably will be of counter-narcotics that will refer to sensitive information.
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ORS is responsible for opening the container for inspection and, if drugs are found, contacts DPCI.

Because the inspection will be done by the inspection team of ORS who will open the container for you. You are not going to open the container as an operative yourself. You will be there to say, this is a container. I have identified. Obviously, they will call you when it is ready for inspection and then you meet them there and you do inspection with them. You observe what is inside. And when they confirm, yes, it is counternarcotics then they will have to conduct the relevant units, which will include the DPCI.
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There is no written process for container inspections; decisions to involve DPCI or only ORS depend on discretion and operational context.

As I explained, this is the process that we follow when we deal with containers. There is no written process that we can say, this is the office process that was designed. This is what we must do when we deal with containers. So, a handler can decide, here is the information I am getting of drugs. Do I take DPCI with? Or the container is still at the harbour. It must know it is still at the harbour. If it is still at the harbour, it is under the control of ORS. There is nothing wrong by using ORS before contacting the DPCI.
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If counterfeit goods are suspected instead of drugs, the container will be opened, and brand attorneys will be involved to confirm counterfeit status.

Let us move away from drugs now. Let us say it is counterfeit. They will open. Then they will realise, oh, no, here, it is a possibility that these goods are counterfeit. We need to get brand attorneys to be present. And then we need to do a full unpack.
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ORS can inspect containers both inside and outside the harbour; if a stop is placed, ORS handles the container while it remains in the harbour.

They can also do inspections when it is outside the harbour. But what I am trying to say, if they have placed a stop, then they will deal with it when it is staying in the harbour?
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Once the container is sealed and moved to the depot, brand attorneys take samples to confirm counterfeit goods, then commercial crime unit of DPCI takes over investigation.

And then that container will be sealed using a polystyrene. They will seal it. And then it should be taken to the depot, where a date will be set for a full unpack of the container, where the brand attorney can then come and take samples to confirm whether it is counterfeit. Then they will be notified to take over that investigation.
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Operational communication between units such as ORS and DPCI is mostly via phone calls or informal liaison, not formal paperwork, but formal letters (SAP21) are used if necessary.

You know, Commissioners, at the operational level, it works differently. It does not work with paper all the time. It works with understanding between units which are working operationally. Some of these things, there is no time to say, now here is a container, now you found counterfeit goods, then you must go to your office and write a letter to request DPCI. It does not work that way. You pick up the phone, you call. The person that you are speaking to, you will say, okay, speak to my commander. You speak to the commander, you explain. Or you speak to a commander who lies with the commander of DPCI at their level, at their seniority. They will liaise this, you know. But if there is a need for an official letter, which we refer to as SAP21, which is the letter that we write when we request any information or any assistance within the police, that will be drawn up.
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The police may detain any container for random inspection based on profiling or intelligence.

The policemay detain any container for random inspection in terms of the customs, based on profiling or intelligence.
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Some containers may have passed customs and left the port; ORS does not control such containers but police can request detention and inspection anywhere.

Some containers may have already been released by customs and may have already left the port. In this instance, ORS does not have control over those containers. However, the police can still request a detention wherever it may be and conduct an inspection of the container.
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If a commodity is found to be false declaration or under declaration by customs, customs takes over; if it involves criminal cases like illicit cigarettes, drugs, counterfeit goods, police take control and DPCI must be informed for investigations.

It is also determined that the commodity was – if it is determined that the commodity was false declaration or under declaration , then customs will take over and do the necessary. Whether there is a criminal case , for example, illicit cigarettes , drugs , counterfeit goods or precursor chemicals , the police will usually take control of the commodities. Whenever there is information of drugs , DPCI must be informed in order to take over the crime scene for investigation.
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ORS inspection team is appointed to conduct inspection once container placed at depot; border security commander informed before seals broken and may be present during inspection if dual stop by customs.

As soon as the container is placed at a depot, ORS inspection team is appointed to conduct an inspection. In the event of the information is provided by Crime Intelligence , the commander of border security will be informed to be present before any seals are broken. If there is a dual stop by customs, then they may also be present during the inspection.
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Normal operational process prioritizes personal communication and practical liaison first; paperwork comes later to ensure lawfulness.

But on a normal operational process, there is no time to do letters and all those. That gets attended to at a later stage. It is all about communicating personally. Or maybe go have a meeting, go to the office, set up a meeting, discuss and continue. It works as always. Because at the end of the day, we have to work. As long as we know that we are still within the context of the law, we are not doing anything wrong.
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Customs may detain and inspect containers under Customs Act without police unless drugs are detected, in which case DPCI must be called for investigation and command/control of drug seizures and forensic processing.

Customs may detain and inspect containers in terms of the Customs Act and do not require the police unless they have detected drugs. In that instance, DPCI must be called out to conduct an investigation. In the case of drug cases, DPCI will have to command and control. These seizures, packaging and forensic processing is controlled by DPCI.
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All depots must comply with instructions to hold or detain container until police inspection is done, after which if container is legitimate it can be released.

All depots must comply with the instruction to hold or detain the container until the police have inspected the container. And if they are satisfied that the container is legitimate, then it may be released on instruction.
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ORS and customs have their own SOPs designed by the Union Commander in Sea Borders, always followed by Border Security; no written SOP document at office, but guided by intelligence operational processes.

The ORS and customs have their own SOP which they follow. This SOP was designed by the Union Commander in Sea Borders and has all along been followed by Border Security through the years. There is no written SOP document available to provide in this regard at the office as we are guided by intelligence operational processes.
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There is no signed document stating the process to be followed for stopping a container; it is an operational process understood and referred to as a station order within Crime Intelligence at Durban Harbour sea border.

There is no signed document that says this is the process we must follow. But it is like, I will put it this way, I will say we can call it a station order which the office must break it down to guide as to what the members need to do in the ground. This is a process you must follow when you stop the container.
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Location: Durban Harbour
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Crime Intelligence, border security, and ORS have been operating together for years with a memorandum of understanding to coordinate inspections and stopping of containers at Durban Harbour.

Crime Intelligence, border security, and ORS, they have been working together for years, even before I came. They have been operating together... like a memorandum of understanding between the two offices because we rely on them when it comes to stopping containers and doing inspections because they have teams to conduct inspections.
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Location: Durban Harbour
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Crime Intelligence border security and ORS coordination works by verbal or email requests; a letter signed by the commander can be submitted if requested to place a stop on a container.

Crime Intelligence does not need to issue documents to request a stop and detention of a container to arrest. It can be done verbally or by sending an email to arrest. However, an essay between one letter of request to place a stop signed by the commander can be submitted to ORS if requested to do so.
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There is no formal written process adopted for stopping containers within this operational space at Durban Harbour, only procedures known verbally or operationally.

As matters operate or for as long as you operated within this space, basically, there is no formal process that is adopted or that is written somewhere. ... No, we do not have.
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Location: Durban Harbour
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Once a container has passed through the port and been released to go to a depot, ORS does not have control over it anymore; one must liaise with the depot or transporter for inspection or stopping requests.

If you pick up information after the fact, the container has already been - went through the port and released to go to a depot, it is not in the control of ORS anymore. It is in a depot where you now as a person that is getting information, you have to liaise with that depot.
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Police generally do not get refused access by depots for container inspection, as quicker inspections lead to releasing commodities and fewer complaints from buyers.

Normally, I have never come to a depot that will refuse when the police want to do inspection because the quicker inspection is done and the commodity is released, it is good for them. Otherwise, their buying clients, start complaining. So, we have never come across where the depot will refuse.
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The procedural process involves a profiler sending an official detention form and request to the shipping line to move the container to a licensed inspection depot, which the shipping line controls and must comply with police requests to stop containers for inspection.

Procedurally briefing the Brigadier, those containers falls under where a profiler has sent an email on official detention form and requested the shipping line have the container moved to a licenced inspection depot. The depot is determined by shipping lines, and they have their own depot that are conducted. All shipping lines must comply with the request of the police...
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Lt-Col Duma states he had no prior insight into a visible policing and border police operations document until recently attempting to access it through the seaboard commander, but received no response until seeing it at the Commission.

I have no insight of this document, I have never seen it. In fact, before I came here, I did, after consulting with your advocates, I did make contact with, via the seaboard commander to access this document to see what is in this document, and I did not receive any response until I see it here.
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The document under discussion was a visible policing document related to Durban Harbour policing, approved March 18, 2021, not a Crime Intelligence document.

it is not Crime Intelligence, it is not a Crime Intelligence document, it is a visible policing document. So, I do not know much what is inside.
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-03-18Location: Durban Harbour
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Lt-Col Duma gathered intelligence about a consignment of drugs at a private depot in Durban, contacting the depot manager for permission to inspect container BEAU595535 placed for inspection on 2026-06-22.

I was holding the rank of a Captain working at Security Intelligence in Border Security Durban. During the performance of my duties, I gained intelligence about consignment of drugs in one of the depots... I informed the manager that I had received the permission from transporter and clearing and forwarding agents to have container number BEAU595535, placed for inspection, and to be inspected by members of the SAPS on 2026-06-22... The container was secured by the depot manager of our assembly and operational team.
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2026-06-21 to 2026-06-22Location: Border Security Durban, private depot 14 Avenue E, Prospecton, Durban
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Lt-Col Duma received intelligence by telephone on 21 June from handled sources, took caution to protect the information and its origin due to risk of harm to sources and previous deaths linked to insider revelations.

the proper information was received on the 21st of June telephonically... I told you and the evidence leader about the risks and the danger that comes with people who provide information... I highlighted to you as to why I had written that paragraph like that and the evidence leader agreed. We all agreed on protecting the original list of information as it may have repercussions when we disclose our source of information.
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Lt-Col Duma explained the operational process of tracing a container upon receiving its number, contacting the transporter, clearing and forwarding agent and ultimately the depot manager to get permission for inspection, stressing the need to protect sensitive information to avoid compromising consignments.

after gathering information and getting a container number, the first thing when you get a container number you need to contact ORS to try and trace where the container is exactly... I spoke to the transporter and I spoke to the clearing forwarding agent and they referred me to the depot manager. And then I contacted the depot manager. I spoke to her... I just mentioned that it is a container of interest... We just want to check the commodity... I did that to protect the information so that it does not leak that, you know, we lose the consignment.
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Lt-Col Duma acknowledged that he cannot recall the names of the transporter and clearing and forwarding agent he spoke to, but remembers the container number and the depot manager's name.

I remember the container number. I know the manager at the depot that I spoke to. But the transporter and the clearing and forwarding, eish, I cannot remember their details. But I know I spoke to them.
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Lt-Col Duma confirmed the telephone call for permission to inspect the container was made to the transporter but does not recall with whom exactly he spoke.

the telephone call, who did you speak to... from the transporter? Yes, from the transporter to get permission. That is what I am saying... I do not remember.
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Lt-Col Duma was not informed of any detention on the container except for an email after the fact on 23 June 2021 showing SARS detention.

No , not that I know of , except that I believe there is an email that came after , on the 23rd , it was after the fact , and it showed that it had SARS detention .
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 23, 2021
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Lt-Col Duma acknowledges he did not interact with the person responsible for the drug seizure inspection on 22 June 2021 and is unclear of the procedure followed by the depot.

No , no , I do not even know who he is , but I believe if I had interacted with the depot on the 21st , I am sure they would have interacted with him to say the police would be coming on the 22nd to do inspection . So maybe it would be a fault from the depot or the people I spoke to . Yes , but I do not know , his processes that must be followed , I do not know them .
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 21-22, 2021
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Lt-Col Duma states the standard operating procedure when a container is stopped at Durban Harbour involves a briefing chain from Crime Intelligence to the commander of border security to section heads of visible policing and operations.

The first thing is Crime Intelligence procedures . ... The operative will report to his commander , must brief the commander . ... And then the commander will brief the section head of visible policing and operations , right ? ... Operational responsibilities in border police ...
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Location: Durban Harbour
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Lt-Col Duma clarifies the procedure applies only to cargo detained by ORS at the harbour and moved to container, and not to cargo that has moved to depot outside the harbour such as Cato Ridge.

This procedure ... deals with the cargo that is detained by ORS , which is in the harbour , and which get moved to container . ... But those processes are specifically for Durban Harbour , containers that are coming through the harbour . ... Sometimes you will find that the container has moved from Durban Harbour , for example , to Cato Ridge . ... So , you cannot follow the same process ... because it is not under their jurisdiction ... It is outside the harbour . You now , as a member , have to liaise with the depot ...
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Location: Durban Harbour; Cato Ridge
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Lt-Col Duma describes the procedure when seal of container is broken at depot: representatives of the commodity and managers of depot should be present along with the police (ORS).

In some instances , you will find that some representatives of that commodity will be there . ... All the managers of the depot will be there . Then the police will be there , which is the ORS will be there .
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The report submitted by LT-COLDUMA to his commander about the operation would typically include information about the presence of ORS at the seal breaking.

I am sure I would have mentioned something.
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A container involved in the case had already left the port before the investigation started, making it impossible for ORS to place a stop at the port.

So in this instance, this one had already left the port. Although there was a SARS stop on it, but it already left the port. That is why we could not use ORS to place a stop.
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Although a container may be cleared by customs, the police can still place a stop on the container if it is suspected to have been involved in a commission of an offence.

Although it is cleared by customs, but you can still place a stop as a police official if you believe that it is, there is, it has been used in a commission of an offence, you can still place a stop wherever it is.
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South African Revenue Service (SARS) had issued a detention notice for the container as early as June 14, 2021, although the container shipment arrived on June 21, 2021.

On the 14th of June ... there is a stop, a detention notice for State Vet. So by the time it lands, it is been identified for detention. And if detention is by a State Agency, such as the SARS, according to this document ...
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An inconsistency exists because SARS issued a detention notice on June 23, 2021, which suggests that the container was still under customs control when it was supposedly cleared on June 21, 2021.

How can this container be cleared already on the 21st if SARS on the 23rd issues a notice of detention on it? It suggests that it is still under the control of customs.
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Lt-Col Duma initially thought some containers might have been released by Customs but later withdrew that statement, admitting he was not aware the consignment was stopped until the 23rd when he received an email, which was after the operation had been conducted.

if I say that it was released by customs, I would like to withdraw that statement and say that I was not aware that it was stopped up until the 23rd when I received an email, but it was already after the operation has been conducted
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SARS officers normally conduct their own operations under the Customs Acts and are not obligated to communicate with Crime Intelligence or other police units unless drugs or other illegal items are found during inspections that require police involvement.

normally SARS conduct their own operations in terms of their customs acts. So they are not obliged to communicate with Crime Intelligence or anyone else unless they pick up something that requires the police, then may on their inspection, they will then say, oh, we found drugs here. Okay, call the Narcotics Squad to come in and continue
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 3:53:03
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90% conf.

The ORS (Operational Response Service) has responsibilities over the CHC depot including Isipingo and Prospecton, according to their SOPs.

The SOP of the ORS includes, specifies, CHC depot, Isipingo as an area of responsibility for the ORS
A D V B A L O Y I S CDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 3:56:06
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90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma was not aware of the ORS SOP that includes the CHC depot area of responsibility and had not reviewed the SOP before writing his statement.

No, I am not, Commissioner. I am not aware. I have not gone through the SOP and I requested it before when I was still busy with a statement. On my first consultation ...
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 3:56:19
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90% conf.

The consignment was still under the authority of SARS as it had not been cleared by Customs yet at the time of the operation.

the consignment was still within the reach or authority of the SARS because it had not been cleared. So it had not cleared custom
A D V B A L O Y I S CDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 3:57:20
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95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma introduced the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) after the container's seal was broken and then handed over the matter to DPCI to continue with the investigation.

after the container was opened, from breaking the seal, I introduced the DPCI, we went to a place and pointed it out and met with the manager. Then from there, whatever happened from there, it was in the hands of DPCI to continue with it. So it was out of my hands by then.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 3:59:11
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90% conf.

The purpose of briefing from a lower-ranked officer to a commander and then to the Section Head of Visible Policing at ORS is to ensure the Port Commander, who is responsible for the port, is informed about operations taking place.

the purpose, Commissioner, is that the Port Commander who is in charge, he needs to know about operations that are taking place. He is responsible for the port. So whatever information that we want to ... at the hub, it has to go via him. It is a protocol that we follow that it has to go via the Commander
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:00:44
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judicial process
90% conf.

Briefing ORS at early stages of a container operation includes details of what is going to happen, such as container numbers, suspected smuggling, detention request, and storage reasons.

it will, you will provide the container number that you have to say this is a container that you have. You suspect it being used in smuggling whatever commodity it is and then your request it to be detained and placed for inspection and ja, you would probably explain the reason why you want to have it stored
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:01:31
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criminality
90% conf.

Lieutenant-Colonel Duma provided intelligence to Colonel Jacob and Warrant Officer Mpangase from the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) in Durban about a container suspected of being used to smuggle 27 kilograms of cocaine at the CHC Container Depot in Durban South.

I provided the intelligence that I had gathered and requested their assistance to conduct an inspection of the commodity on one of the containers that was suspected of being used to smuggle 27 kilograms of Cocaine at CHC Container, Durban
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2026-06-22Location: Durban South
YouTube 4:05:32
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police conduct
85% conf.

LT-Colonel Duma chooses which police officers to inform based on the commodity involved and the trust and working relationship with certain individuals rather than distrusting other members of the DPCI.

It first depends what commodity you are dealing with... Normally, Commissioner, when it comes to that, it depends on the relationship and trust of members... you have to work with people that you trust in order to make sure that your information is safe and secure and is operationalized accordingly.
YouTube 4:07:27
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criminality
90% conf.

LT-Colonel Duma had prior discussions with Colonel Jacob about a possible drug smuggling consignment about a week before 22 June 2026, initially as a warning without specific facts, and requested them to be on standby.

We had some discussions where I went past their office, if I am not mistaken, and said, I am expecting there could be a consignment coming, but I do not have the facts yet... then on the 22nd, that is when I contacted them, early in the morning to assist.
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2026-06-15 to 2026-06-22
YouTube 4:13:19
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criminality
90% conf.

On 22 June 2026, LT-Colonel Duma met Colonel Jacob with two members, Warrant Officer Mpangase and Warrant Officer Sibiya, to brief them and provided the container number BEAU5955535 at the Isipingo area and pointed out the CSC container depot location.

On the same day, it is approximately 9:20, I met Colonel Jacob with two members, Warrant Officer Mpangase and Sibiya... I briefed them and provided them with container number BEAU5955535... I then escorted them to the Isipingo area where I pointed out the CSC container depot.
LT-COLDUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2026-06-22Location: Isipingo area
YouTube 4:15:49
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criminality
85% conf.

During the inspection of the container, DPCI detective members communicated with the depot manager to have the container inspected and noted the bill of lading and documentation indicated animal food as the commodity inside the container.

Whilst at the depot, the DPCI Detective members communicated with the depot manager to have the container inspected. I noticed that the bill of lading and other documentation pertaining to the said container indicated that it contained animal food.
YouTube 4:15:59
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma informed the authorities about the container number to stop it at the depot but avoided mentioning suspected drugs inside to prevent information leaks.

I did discuss it with them because to have it stopped at the depot, you have to provide the container number, so I did inform them the container number but I did not mention what we are suspecting inside
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:20:06
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criminality
85% conf.

Lt-Col Duma and Commissioner Baloyi agreed that the container was still under ORS control as per their SOP, although Lt-Col Duma was not initially aware of this control.

with Commissioner Baloyi we did come to a conclusion that it was under it was still under ORS control as per their SOP which I was in a position of and I did not know about it
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:21:10
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma wrote a report before the bust informing his Commander about the information received concerning the container.

I did write a report which was submitted and then I went to ... The reports, the reports was written, yes, I think before if I am not mistaken ... The report prior to the bust which reports about the information
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:23:27
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criminality
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma confirmed that the report prior to the bust that he wrote included information passed to the Commander.

The reports after the bust would be a success but there is a report prior to the bust which reports about the information that has been received that we went to the Commander
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:24:29
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judicial process
90% conf.

The report prior to the bust provided by Lt-Col Duma is part of a confidential bundle accessible at reference 316, as confirmed by Adv Sikhakhane and Lt-Col Duma.

No. In fact, it is in your bundle that you shared with me . . . Attached the SOP of ORS, you should go to 316, you will find it there . . . So this is the report that you provided
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:25:14
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criminality
75% conf.

Lt-Col Duma did not provide any prior report or inform his Commander before the 21st of June 2026 about the consignment; it was merely communication with the source provider.

No, there was no request complied. It was just a communication between me and the person providing me with such.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:26:37
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criminality
80% conf.

Lt-Col Duma's report to his Commander was diarised in the source file; no separate report except the one dated 21 June 2026 was found.

I am sure I did diarise it in the source file of the source. I did diarise it, and then where I asked him to say, go and get new information on this, and then report back, but there is no report as such on it, except on the 21st, yes.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2026-06-21
YouTube 4:28:05
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma verified the container number by personally checking its existence at the depot and the authorities to ensure the number was correct and the container physically present.

By ensuring that the container does exist, and it is in the depot ... so to me that is a verification that yes, the container number is correct, and it does exist because sometimes you can get a container number, but when you check with the authorities at the harbour or in the depot, then they do not have the container.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:29:04
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma was working with information about a consignment of 27 kilograms of cocaine but was not able to verify the exact source or quantity.

The information that you had at the time was that there were 27 kilograms of Cocaine and that is the report ... That is all, yes.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:30:14
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criminality
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma stated that it is impossible to know the exact contents of a container until it is physically opened.

You have to verify the container number but to know exactly what is inside it is impossible to know until you open it.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:30:02
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma is not a Counter-Narcotics specialist and was dealing with other threats in the northern region; he handled narcotics information as part of border security duties.

I am not a Counter-Narcotics specialist. I do not know much about narcotics, drugs and everything but it is just a matter of working on information when you get it and then you work on it because if I may remember, at that time I was dealing with other threat up north but because it is border security you find yourself bringing information that you get, you have to attend to it whether it is airports or land borders or harbours
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:31:59
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70% conf.

Colonel Jacob was on leave when Lt-Col Duma contacted him on 22 June 2026 to report information.

Colonel Jacob indicated to you that he was on leave when you contacted him on the 22nd of June 2026 . . . It is the 22nd .
ChairpersonDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2026-06-22
YouTube 4:33:53
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police conduct
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma trusts some officers in his unit to share sensitive information with, and this trust depends on personal integrity.

I have trusted information with them and expected them to assist me ... it is a common practice ... we share information with people that you have integrity with, that you have trust
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:36:35
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police conduct
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma requested Colonel Jacobi to assist on the operation despite Jacobi being on leave, expecting the person in charge to arrange assistance if needed.

No, no, no, Commissioner. I requested ... if I insist ... someone must have said no, he cannot assist and then I insist
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:37:04
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police conduct
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma relayed prior communication with Colonel Jacobi about operational details and booking on duty despite Jacobi being on leave, with permission from the Provincial Commander.

I told him that I was on leave but I was willing to book on duty if the Provincial Commander gave permission to do so... He said he will brief Nyuswa on the situation and get back to me... he called me and indicated that he had spoken to the Brigadier and that was in order with regard to me booking on duty.
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:39:47
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police conduct
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma explained the importance of sharing confidential drug-related information only with trusted persons to avoid jeopardizing the operation or the evidence.

If you just share it anyhow there is a possibility that the whole container will go missing ... you have shared it with so many people ... you have already defeated the object of the operation
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:42:59
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police conduct
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma stated there is no hidden agenda in the way trust and information sharing happen in drug operations and that this is a common practice within their unit and with other members from the Crime Intelligence (CI) branch.

There is no hidden agenda about that which made me request ... It happens with, for example, in most operations that have been conducted and involves drugs ... Detective from DPCI ... worked closely with someone from CI
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 4:45:05
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police conduct
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma informed Colonel Jacobi a few weeks prior about the information on a container at CHC container depot, but without specific details, and was following up.

I had met them and I even went as far to say ... if I remember very well I had a meeting with them in their offices to say that yes, I am expecting something that might come up ... but I do not have details at the moment because I was still following up...
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06-22
YouTube 4:47:59
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police conduct
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma reported receiving information about a container at CHC container depot on 2021-06-21.

your report ... it says that you received information about a container that is at CHC container depot
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06-21
YouTube 4:48:57
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procedural
85% conf.

Lt-Col Duma was not aware that SARS had put a stop on the container until after the operation was conducted on 23rd; this stop was not brought to his attention beforehand.

At the time I was not aware that SARS had put a stop on the container ... The only time that it came to my notice was on the 23rd when the operation was already conducted and it was not brought, I do not know, maybe DPCI it was brought to their attention that SARS had put in a stop, but to me it was not brought to my attention
LT-COL DUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 23rd (month not specified)
YouTube 4:51:35
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90% conf.

Depot Manager did not inform Lt-Col Duma that the container was under detention by SARS, nor was there any indication or obvious sign from customs officials or anyone else that the container was detained.

The Depot Manager does not tell you that it is in fact under detention by SARS? ... there is no indication whatsoever from anybody, there are no custom officials, Depot Manager, nobody indicates to you and there is no obvious signs that this container is under detention.
YouTube 4:53:23
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95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma states that he would only know about a SARS detention if he is told, since customs operates independently without informing them.

people who will have the documentation will be most probably the depot who will know that there is a SARS detention but on my side, unless I am told, I will know that there is a SARS detention because the way customs operate, they do not come to us and tell us we have stopped such a container.
YouTube 4:54:02
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95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma confirms that he does not have access to SARS profiling systems and would not know about stops on containers unless informed.

but if we are not told we would not come to know that there is a SARS stop on it because we do not have access to their systems of profiling. We do not have access to profiling of containers.
YouTube 4:55:14
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judicial process
95% conf.

When the seal of the container was broken during the operation, there were no customs or SARS personnel present, only SAPS, DPCI, and the Depot Manager.

In the opening of this when, in this, now we are back in this operation, when the seal is broken there was no customs or veterinarian together with your police people. They were not there. You had only your SAPS, DPCI, the Depot Manager I think you say and, ja, pretty much. There was no SARS people there or customs people.
YouTube 5:02:23
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95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma states he was not informed about the stop from customs before the operation and only learned of the stop after the fact via email, on the 3rd (month not specified).

On my side it was not brought to my attention that there was a stop from customs. It only came to me after the fact. So if there was a stop I would have expected that I will be told that there is a stop and then would then, I am sure DPCI would have waited for other counterparts to be present if there is a stop, but in this case I do not know if they were informed. On my side I was not informed of SARS detention. The email only came on the 3rd.
LT-COL DUMADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 3rd (month not specified)
YouTube 5:03:07
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criminality
100% conf.

A container subject to diversion had the same seal number as the one Lt-Col Duma had an interest in, and this is documented in the statement paragraph 17.

this is the container that was subject to this diversion was the same container which you had an interest on and you would also see that if I look at your statement, but we will go to this paragraph 17 of the statement
YouTube 5:03:58
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criminality
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma testified that without the container number, no action like detention by ORS could be taken to stop the container while at sea; the container in question was only identified on the 21st, and by then it had already been moved to the depot on the 9th, so no timely detention by ORS was possible.

if you do not have a container number there is nothing you can do ... in this case I am only getting the container number on the 21st and by the look of things with this document it shows that this container was moved on the 9th so when I received the information the container was already at the depot
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06
YouTube 5:05:35
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma claimed no detention notice by ORS was known, only customs detention which was not brought to their attention.

there was no detention by ORS that I know of, so the only detention that it had was customs which was not brought to our attention
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 5:05:35
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criminality
85% conf.

Lt-Col Duma contacted the profiling office to find who transported the container and was able to get details of a person to speak to, but this contact was a long time ago, around 2021.

I did contact the profiling office... it has been a long time, 2021, but I did contact to find out because that is where I managed to get the transporter as to who was the transporter of the container
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021
YouTube 5:08:21
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police conduct
95% conf.

The breaking of seal number H1905754 occurred in the presence of Lt-Col Duma, the Warehouse Manager, DPCI, and a worker with bolt cutters, with a photo taken before the seal was broken.

the seal number H1905754 was broken in my presence as well as of the Warehouse Manager, DPCI, one of the workers working at the depot with the bolt cutter. Prior to the seal being broken a photo of the seal was taken and it was intact
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 5:09:45
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criminality
95% conf.

Numerous black canvas bags containing seven bricks of suspected cocaine were found at the container entrance, inspected by DPCI in Lt-Col Duma's presence, and the exhibits were conveyed to Isipingo SAPS by ORS.

numerous black canvas bags were noticed at the entrance of the container. These bags were inspected by DPCI in my presence and found to contain bricks of suspected Cocaine. 7 bags were discovered ... exhibits were conveyed to Isipingo SAPS by ORS
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 5:10:53
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criminality
95% conf.

Paragraph 19 reports 26 canvas bags seized by DPCI members contained 20 1kg bricks of cocaine, plus one canvas bag containing 21 bricks, totaling 541 kilograms of cocaine with an estimated street value of about R243 450 million.

The following exhibits that were seized by DPCI members were 26 canvas bags which contained 20 x 1kg bricks of Cocaine and 1 canvas bag contained 21 x 1kg of bricks Cocaine. In total, 541 kilograms of Cocaine were seized The estimated street value of the exhibits were about R243450 million
L T - C O L D U M ADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 5:17:07
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criminality
90% conf.

The packaging in 26 bags had 20 bricks each and one bag had 21 bricks of cocaine, making the total number of bags 27.

... 26 containing 20 times 1 kg bricks and the other bag which is a 27 one now, it is containing 21 bricks of Cocaine.
YouTube 5:20:07
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police conduct
85% conf.

LT-Colduma's role at the scene was to show the members where the scene was and observe to ensure the operation took place successfully and exhibits were recovered.

My role at the scene was to show the members at the scene where the scene is, and then when I get there, was to observe for my own records to ensure that this operation takes place successfully and the exhibits are recovered.
YouTube 5:21:24
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police conduct
90% conf.

LT-Colduma and others only found out the exact number of bricks at Isipingo Police Station during counting, not at the scene.

And you found, you, and I am asking you, you in particular, you only found out when you got to Isipingo Police Station that …
YouTube 5:24:12
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criminality
85% conf.

Not all bags were opened at the container; only one or two bags were opened, which revealed that the contents were drugs.

From what I observed, they did not open all the bags. I think they opened maybe one or two bags, and they realize, no, this is drugs and after that bags were, not all the bags were open at the time.
YouTube 5:23:43
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police conduct
85% conf.

No further search of the container was done that day besides viewing the bags at the entrance.

No. Not on that day. Maybe some other day, but not on that day. There was no further search done.
YouTube 5:25:21
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police conduct
90% conf.

The container was not sealed on the day of operation by the DPCI; however, it was resealed after removal of bags, possibly with an ORS seal.

No, from what I observed, Commissioners, after the bags had been removed and placed in the police car, the container was sealed with another seal. If I am not mistaken, it could be a seal from ORS, if not the depot, but it was re-sealed.
YouTube 5:27:10
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90% conf.

The bags were loaded in an ORS vehicle and transported to the station where counting was conducted.

I mean, the bags were loaded in the ORS vehicle and transported to the station where the counting was conducted.
YouTube 5:26:31
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police conduct
90% conf.

DPCI was in charge of everything at the scene and the operation and handled the crime scene management and exhibits; LT-Colduma only stood back to observe as a Crime Intelligence member and prepared reports for the Crime Intelligence office.

No, I did not have that because at that stage, DPCI was in charge of everything, so I just stood back and you know, observed.
YouTube 5:28:23
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police conduct
95% conf.

Crime Intelligence officers do not interfere in cordoning off the crime scene, calling Local Criminal Record Centre or Forensics, conducting searches or making arrests; these are duties of Detectives, here specifically DPCI members.

Crime Intelligence officers do not get involved in cordoning off the crime scene, calling of Local Criminal Record Centre or Forensics, conducting searches and making arrests, as this is the duties of the Detectives, which in this instance was the members of DPCI.
YouTube 5:30:04
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police conduct
90% conf.

DPCI members at the scene took charge of the crime scene and made decisions regarding it, having experience and expertise in handling crime scenes.

In this matter, DPCI members who were in the scene took charge of the crime scene and made decisions. DPCI have experience and are experts in handling crime scenes, and it is their mandate to handle the crime scene and exhibits.
YouTube 5:30:04
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma disputes all allegations made by General Flynn that implicate him but confirms he was present at the scene throughout and called DPCI and SAPS people to the scene.

you dispute allegations made by General Flynn to the extent that they implicate you ... you confirm your presence at the scene, and the DPCI and SAPS people who were there were called by you
YouTube 5:33:29
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judicial process
85% conf.

Lt-Col Duma confirms that the National Instruction 8/2017 was not followed to the letter at the scene, including that the LCRC was not called and the container was opened without proper sealing.

while you were present at the scene, and the container was opened ... the prescripts of National Instruction 8/2017 were not observed, whether it was by you or the people you called
YouTube 5:33:49
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judicial process
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma observed that the container was placed at the depot where space was insufficient for processing the exhibits, necessitating sealing and moving the container elsewhere.

the container had already been offloaded, unpacked, and the commodity was placed around the depot ... for the number of bags that were there, definitely you needed a bigger space ... you need to seal the container, uplift it ... move the crime scene somewhere else
YouTube 5:36:12
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judicial process
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma confirms there was no way to work at the scene as the space was inadequate and the container had to be moved or exhibits taken out.

there is no way you could have worked there ... you could have done is to move the container completely somewhere else or alternatively take the exhibit out
YouTube 5:38:05
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judicial process
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma explains that at the Isipingo SAPS station, the container took a lot of space in the parking lot, which was not conducive for processing exhibits.

even when you were there at the station, they took a whole lot of space in the parking lot ... it was not conducive to process exhibits
YouTube 5:38:41
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judicial process
90% conf.

Colonel Jacob informed Lt-Col Duma that the container was moved to the station because there was no space at the depot, but Duma's observation is that a crime scene cannot be moved and there are only two choices: move container or take exhibits out.

he did inform me... he moved them to the station because there is no space ... the crime scene is a crime scene, it cannot be moved ... there is two choices
YouTube 5:41:48
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criminality
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma claims he provided accurate and strategic intelligence to DPCI which led to the successful operation and recovery of exhibits under his mandate, and that his actions were not part of any scheme to store exhibits unsafely.

I provided accurate and strategic intelligence to DPCI, which led to the successful operation and recovery of exhibits as part of my mandate. My actions were not part of the scheme or design to store them in unsafe storage to make them vulnerable to theft.
YouTube 5:43:23
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judicial process
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma states that someone had to make a decision whether to reseal the container and process elsewhere, or to move the exhibit out, and that in this instance the exhibit was removed.

someone would have come up with a different idea... let us reseal this container and do it the other way ... or someone would make decisions and move the exhibit ... of which this is what happened
YouTube 5:42:43
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criminality
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma states he did not know where the exhibits were stored after recovery, only that they were at Isipingo SAPS until he read about the theft in the news.

I did not know where the exhibits were stored after the recovery. All I knew was that they were at Isipingo SAPS until I read about the theft in the news article.
YouTube 5:43:23
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intimidation
95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma states the malicious manner in which his name has been mentioned in the Commission has put his life and safety at high risk due to the drug cartels operating in Durban Harbour.

The malicious manner in which my name has been mentioned in the Commission has put my life in danger and at high risk ... I request the Commission to assist me by testifying behind camera to protect my identity, safety and family.
YouTube 5:44:30
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judicial process
85% conf.

ADV Khumalo SC challenges Lt-Col Duma's claim of malicious intent in mentioning his name, stating that Duma was the person at the scene and present when exhibits were counted and booked.

It seems to me that all that has happened is that you were the person who was placed at the scene and present at Isipingo when the exhibits were counted and they were booked there. So I am not sure what you regard as malicious.
YouTube 5:45:32
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90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma explains his concern relates to protecting intelligence sources, citing the Warrant Officer testimony as an example of non-disclosure of information source.

The Warrant Officer did not divulge the source of information to protect a CI member's identity ... I was expecting the same. It's not that I was not going to testify ... but considering how drug cartels operate, there have already been killings
YouTube 5:46:21
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other
90% conf.

Lt-Col Duma wished his name was concealed in the Commission for safety reasons but is willing to testify if it is not.

I expect that my name should have been dealt with in a more way where it is concealed , not because I do not want to come to the Commission , but to think of my safety as well . You know , at the end of the day , my safety is important .
YouTube 5:47:24
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Lt-Col Duma denies involvement in the theft of drugs after they had been booked in.

As regardin[g] to the theft , I am not part of that . I had nothing to do with that . My duty and my job ended when those exhibits were booked in .
YouTube 5:49:28
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Lt-Col Duma stated he tried to do his work to the best of his ability on the day of the operation, which was conducted successfully with the drugs booked in SAP 13 as intended.

on my side , I tried to do my work , which I did it to the best of my ability on the day and the information provided was positive . The operation was conducted successfully . The drugs were … in the SAP 13 , where I wanted them to be and I was happy on that day .
YouTube 5:49:28
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95% conf.

Lt-Col Duma lost trust in the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) after drugs he recovered disappeared from the DPCI custody, describing it as disgraceful to SAPS.

I lost the trust to the DPCI as a component ... I thought those drugs were lying in the forensic . So to gets stolen like that , ... It bring us back to square one , where we are trying to remove these drugs off the street and they are going back under the police watch . So it was a sore matter which is a bit disgraceful to the SAPS .
YouTube 5:51:55
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90% conf.

Lieutenant Colonel Gavin Jacob approached the witness on 27 October 2021 for advice regarding the destruction of drug exhibits related to a seizure on 22 June 2021 of 41 kilograms of suspected cocaine.

Lieutenant Colonel Gavin Jacob was there to see Captain Kubheka and wanted advice from me ... He asked for my advice on how to destroy exhibits ... relating to the 22 June 2021 seizure of 41 kilograms of suspected Cocaine
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06-22 to 2021-10-27
YouTube 6:01:04
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The witness explained that a record of the total mass of the drug exhibits must be kept in order for analysts to accurately establish quantities, and samples alone are insufficient for this purpose.

I told him it was essential to have a record of the total mass of the exhibit and if the exhibits are going to be destroyed, the analyst will not be able to establish the total mass of the exhibits that were seized ... the analyst would need all the exhibits and ... cannot determine the total mass with the use of the samples
YouTube 6:02:42
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95% conf.

There is a distinction between cases received by the lab from stations and those attended by the clandestine laboratory team who bring samples from chemical synthesis drug manufacture sites; the Clanlab team requires special training and skills not held by all analysts.

The laboratory receives exhibits in two ways ... from the station ... and the Clandestine Laboratory team who attend synthesis sites and bring samples ... You can apply after two years to do clandestine laboratories and get extra training from drug analysts ... not every analyst at FSL has that special skill or training to identify precursors
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:06:35
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90% conf.

The Clandestine Laboratory team analyses cases involving the synthesis of substances listed in the Drug and Trafficking Act, including chemicals, precursors, and final products.

When we are talking about clandestine ... at a particular house, they were synthesising substances listed in the Drug and Trafficking Act ... chemicals, precursors, final product ... done by us, Clandestine Laboratories
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:11:03
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85% conf.

Colonel Jacob sought advice from the witness because Captain Kubheka was present in the office but the inquiry was directed to the witness instead, implying a reason for seeking the witness's advice distinct from Captain Kubheka's presence.

He had been there to see Captain Kubheka and wanted advice from me ... She was there in the office ... He was there to see Captain Kubheka and then wanted advice from me, so from him
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:14:01
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90% conf.

Colonel Jacob made an enquiry about the possibility of one of the team members analysing the case which caused concern because investigation officers are not made aware of the identity of the analyst to prevent undue influence or pressure.

My real concern about the conversation was Colonel Jacob’s question about the possibility of one of the team members analysing the case. When a case is assigned to an analyst, the Investigating Officer is not made aware of the identity of the analyst. In fact, if there are enquiries by the Investigating Officer regarding progress of the analysis, the enquiry is made with admin, who would then notify the analyst Supervisor who would engage the analyst and report back to the Investigating Officer. This is to prevent undue influence or pressure on the analyst.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:19:07
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95% conf.

Investigating officers apply pressure for analysis reports to be issued or enquire on progress which constitutes pressure but not improper influence.

The first pressure is that they would ask, when will you issue the analysis report? That is the first pressure. And the other one is to say the progress of the process, where is it now? So that they would say also the court will need to remand the case, then when are you finishing it? So those are the type of pressures that are there.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:21:12
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Undue influence manifests as Investigating Officers requesting details about the case before the lab analysis report is issued, which is against lab practices designed to protect analyst independence.

Undue influence, Commissioner, will manifest by saying, what is the case that we submitted? What is it? Before the report comes out. Which is not the practice of the lab, because the practice of the lab is that the Investigating Officer will only know the results of the case that they have submitted when the 212 statement is issued to them. When the case has gone through all quality checks and everything, then a 212 statement will be given to them. So the undue influence is, you cannot give any information before the case, the 212 statement is issued out.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:21:53
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90% conf.

Being trained and mentored in the lab aims to ensure analysts work independently without influence even from their superiors, which guards against undue influence.

The influence that we are talking about, because the lab has this part of criteria. When you join the lab, you are trained. Then you go to a mentorship. Then you must be able to work independently without influence, even from your superiors in the lab who you report to. They cannot tell you what the results must be. That is the undue influence that I was talking about, which is to work independently.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:22:36
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90% conf.

Colonel Jacob’s enquiry about whether a crime scene analyst would analyse the case did not sit well with Warrant Officer Setshedi who raised it with her commander Colonel Songca.

Colonel Jacob’s enquiry as to whether one of the crime scene analysts would analyse the case did not sit well with me. After my conversation with Colonel Jacob, I contacted my Commander, Colonel Songca, and informed her about my conversation with Colonel Jacob. In particular, his enquiry about a crime scene analyst analysing the case.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:25:31
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90% conf.

Colonel Songca advised that the case, having been submitted to FSL, would be allocated to any analyst and that a request for a specific analyst by an Investigating Officer was irregular.

Colonel Songca told me that since the case had been submitted to FSL, it will be allocated to any analyst, and that is my Commander, she considered the request from an Investigating Officer for a specific analyst to analyse the case to be irregular.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:26:07
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95% conf.

Warrant Officer Setshedi denies having a conversation with Colonel Jacob about collecting exhibits which would be irregular; their only conversation about exhibits was on 7 October 2021.

I deny that I have had a conversation with Colonel Jacob about collecting exhibits which would be irregular. The only conversation I had with Colonel Jacob about the exhibits is the conversation of 7 October 2021.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:26:07
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95% conf.

On 21 January 2022, Warrant Officer Setshedi found out from DPCI HQ representatives that there was a conversation with Colonel Jacob about 27 October 2021 related to 541 kg of suspected cocaine seizure.

I only found out on 21 January 2022 that the conversation I had with Colonel Jacob on 27 October 2021 was about the 541 kg of suspected Cocaine.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:27:40
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95% conf.

On 27 October 2021, there was a conversation involving Colonel Jacob that Warrant Officer Setshedi explained to DPCI HQ on 21 January 2022 when asked about the incident.

They asked me about Colonel Jacob on the 27th of October. They asked me what happened on the 27th of October. Then I explained what happened. The first question they posed is what was your conversation with Colonel Jacob on the 27th of October? Then I explained the whole story about the 27th of October 2021.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:29:39
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Colonel Jacob did not specify that the 541 kilograms mentioned on 27 October 2021 referred specifically to cocaine, indicating that he could have been talking generally about drugs or exhibits.

Colonel Jacob did not say what he is talking to you about on the 27th of October 2021. Is this 541 kilograms of Cocaine ? No, he did not say that. So he could have been talking about drugs in general or exhibits in general.
YouTube 6:30:14
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95% conf.

Warrant Officer Setshedi was made aware on 21 January 2022 and through the Commission on 5 November 2021 regarding arrangements to collect samples related to the Port Shepstone theft case.

I think some of the – since the first one was, I was made aware that I am part of this on the 21st of January. The other one is through the Commission. I think it was the 5th when there was this, I think it was General Flynn who was presenting. And then he talked about a plan that had a date of the 15th of November.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021Location: Port Shepstone
YouTube 6:31:28
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Warrant Officer Setshedi denies having had a conversation about collecting drug exhibits with Colonel Jacob, stating it would be irregular to do so since the case was never allocated to him for analysis.

I deny that I ever had a conversation with Colonel Jacob about collecting exhibits... No, it would be irregular because, Commissioner, the case was never allocated to me.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:32:30
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95% conf.

Colonel Jacob told investigators about a conversation he had with Warrant Officer Setshedi regarding the theft case, which led to Setshedi being interviewed even though the case was not allocated to him.

The only reason why you were interviewed by the investigators on the theft is because Colonel Jacob had told him about a conversation that he had with you.
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:33:17
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Warrant Officer Setshedi states he was not the analyst for the Port Shepstone theft case, and that cases are allocated and tracked in the lab through a system called Forensic Exhibit Management.

I was not the analyst for this case because at the lab, when you are allocated a case, they allocate a case through a system called Forensic Exhibit Management... A case can be tracked throughout.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:36:03
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On 27 October 2021, Warrant Officer Setshedi was the analyst for a different case named the Simbithi case related to a clandestine laboratory discovered by Durban DPCI in September 2020, with Colonel Jacob as the investigating officer.

On the 27th of October during this time I was the analyst for Clandestine Laboratory that the Durban DPCI discovered in September 2020. And I was the analyst of that case, the case that I referred to as the Simbithi case. I was the analyst of that case at that time on 27 October 2021. And the IO for that case, it was Colonel Jacob.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-10-27Location: Durban
YouTube 6:36:11
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The knowledge that Warrant Officer Setshedi and Colonel Khuzwayo have about the samples being brought to the FSL only came after checking the system in preparation for the hearing, indicating they were not initially aware of the sample submissions.

Wa... you know that the sample was brought but you only found out after the fact because you and your Colonel and Colonel Khuzwayo looked at the system in preparation for the hearing today.
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:38:14
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95% conf.

The system used by the lab to allocate and track cases, including lab numbers and case references, records who is assigned as analyst and details case dates and assignment history.

The screenshot is a screenshot of the Forensic Exhibit Management System... The lab number, which is assigned to a case when the case is submitted to the lab... The last user was that name that is shown there.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:41:57
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The user who makes an enquiry on the Forensic Exhibit Management System is the analyst themselves, confirming that the user name shown in the system is the name of the analyst.

The user is the analyst, the same as the analyst.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:43:49
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The type of examination done on a case is recorded by province, and in this matter, the case was submitted to KwaZulu-Natal for drug analysis as indicated in the system records.

The examination type is drug analysis KZN. So the examination type changes if it is HQ, Western Cape changes by provinces where the case is registered. This means the case was submitted to KZN, since it has drug analysis KZN.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:44:03
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Lieutenant Colonel Jacob's name appears in the system because he was the investigating officer for the case associated with the exhibit bags brought to the lab.

Especially where it says number and then Lieutenant Colonel Jacob. Why would his name be there ?
YouTube 6:44:27
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The system captures the Investigating Officer's (IO) name when they bring a case to the lab, and this information is entered by admin personnel into the system to show the IO's name linked to the case.

The system captures the IO, the Investigating Officer of the case... they also bring the covering minutes of the case... the admin personnel take that covering minutes and they enter it into the system... It will show the Investigating Officer's name there.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:44:56
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The evidence bag submitted by the Investigating Officer to the lab has a unique sealed evidence bag number (serial number) that is logged and tracked in the system.

The PA 65 is the evidence bag serial number, is the unique evidence bag... serial number... Yes, it is the sealed evidence bag number.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:48:26
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You can only see the contents of an evidence bag when it is physically drawn and shown; the system itself only tracks the serial number, and more details must be obtained from SAP 13 where it was logged at the police station.

You will only see what was in the evidence bag when it is drawn... If we wanted to know what was in that bag, we would have to go and look at the SAP 13 where it was logged at the police station.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:49:07
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The lab does not keep its own detailed record of the actual contents or number of items in the evidence bags; this information is only found at the SAP 13 where the bag was logged.

The lab does not keep its own record of what was brought in... If you want to know how many bags were brought, the only place you go to is the SAP 13... That is how it works.
YouTube 6:50:11
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The lab analyst confirms the contents of the evidence bag during analysis by opening the sealed bag, verifying the items against the covering minutes, and issuing a 212 statement confirming the items were sealed and undamaged.

The analyst... confirms the content of the evidence bag... issues a 212, which states that this is what I have got, and the evidence bag was sealed, it was undamaged, I am the person who broke the seal...
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:52:14
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90% conf.

If multiple evidence bags are submitted for a single case (CAS), the system assigns the same lab number but different entry numbers for each evidence bag submission under that CAS number.

If they do their operation and get something that relates to that CAS number, then they will submit it... That one lab number is also linked to the CAS... when they bring the second evidence bag number, the lab number will be the same, but the entry number... will become the second entry.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:54:14
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75% conf.

There is confusion about the date of the KZN floods; Warrant Officer SetshedI suggests February while Adv Khumalo claims it was around May 2022.

The KZN floods were around May 2022... I think it is February... Because in your statement you said they came to see you in January 21, 2022.
ADV KHUMALO SC and WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 6:56:27
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There is an exhibit summary stating a 'flooded case 2022' linked with a particular evidence bag or exhibit brought to the lab, which is explained by the Section Commander.

The exhibit summary states flooded case 2022... But the best person to explain that is the Section Commander.
YouTube 6:56:27
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Adv Khumalo expresses concern that some exhibits could have disappeared from the FSL long before the floods and that the floods might be used as an excuse to hide this fact.

These exhibits could have disappeared at FSL long before the floods, and the floods are just being used as an excuse to hide the fact that the exhibits were no longer there when the floods happened.
YouTube 6:58:00
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The seven bricks of drugs were never brought to FSL; only a small amount for sampling was brought in July 2021 to determine if it was cocaine.

the seven bricks were never brought to FSL. This relates only to the one bag that Colonel Jacobs speaks about. It was a small amount for sampling... It was the small bag that they brought for sampling to see whether it is Cocaine. That was in July of 2021.
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: July 2021
YouTube 7:00:28
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Warrant Officer Setshedi did not know about the large quantity of stolen drugs and needed to prove he had no knowledge because he was not the case analyst.

I said I do not know them. And then they said prove it that you do not know them.... I need to prove that I have nothing to do with the case because I did not know what they want, because I did not know anything about the Port Shepstone case.
WA R R A N T O F F I C E R S E T S H E D IDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:04:23
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An evidence bag that was brought to FSL in July 2021 was accounted for and found in the safe of the lab during investigation in January 2022.

administrator checked that the evidence bag was there, yes, the evidence bag was there, but it was in the safe of the lab...
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: July 2021, January 2022
YouTube 7:05:15
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Colonel Jacobs states that due to no space at FSL to forward all exhibits, samples were taken from bricks and placed in a small bag to be conveyed to FSL for analysis.

Since the FSL had no space for us to forward all the exhibits, the next logical step to take was to forward samples to confirm indeed that if what we had was Cocaine. I called Colonel Khuzwayo, who is the Head of Chemistry at the FSL Amanzimtoti and sought guidance in this regard. It involved taking samples from a few bricks and placing a minute amount of powder into a small exhibit bag meant to accommodate these samples. This would then be conveyed to the FSL for analysis.
YouTube 7:07:23
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The sample taken to FSL on 5 July 2021 was a small exhibit bag containing minute amounts from various bricks for analysis confirmation of cocaine.

On 5 July 2021, I took the sample to the FSL Amanzimtoti for analysis... it involved taking samples from a few bricks and placing a minute amount of powder into a small exhibit bag... This would then be conveyed to the FSL for analysis.
Colonel JacobsDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 5 July 2021
YouTube 7:07:02
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80% conf.

When asked in January 2022 about the Port Shepstone cocaine theft, Warrant Officer Setshedi affirmed that samples refer to small amounts only.

If it samples it means that is small amounts... When you are confronted in January 2022 with the question about prove that you do not have our drugs... registered on the system was that one exhibit bag.
WA R R A N T O F F I C E R S E T S H E D IDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: January 2022
YouTube 7:09:13
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85% conf.

In January 2022 investigation, Warrant Officer Setshedi prepared a statement concerning the Port Shepstone cocaine theft and the destruction of evidence.

When you, so that is the first time that you now confronted with the Port Shepstone theft. It is in January 2022. You prepare a statement for purposes of that investigation... did you deal with the fact that you were asked by Colonel Jacob about destruction?
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: January 2022
YouTube 7:09:47
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95% conf.

Warrant Officer Setshedi was not on standby with the FSL team on 27 October 2021.

You were on standby on the 27th of October 2021? No.
WA R R A N T O F F I C E R S E T S H E D IDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 27 October 2021
YouTube 7:13:45
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95% conf.

Warrant Officer Setshedi was not asked about expediting the samples sent for analysis, as he was not the analyst.

Did he ask you about expediting the samples we had sent for analysis? No, Counsel... Because you were not the analyst, and he knew you were not the analyst.
WA R R A N T O F F I C E R S E T S H E D IDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:14:02
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95% conf.

Destruction of exhibits happens only after SAP 83(a) is issued, indicating the case report was sent to court and decision taken; thus, an exhibit cannot be destroyed before SAP 83 is issued.

destruction happens when SAP 83(a) is issued out, and that means the report was sent to the court and then the decision is taken. So, I do not know that an exhibit can be destroyed before an SAP 83 is issued
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:14:50
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Investigating Officers bring all seized items from suspects to the lab; it never happened that Investigating Officers bring only samples.

Investigating Officers bring everything to the lab . What they found from the suspect, they bring it to the lab . It never occurred that an Investigating Officer will bring a sample that I know of .
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:16:09
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Investigating Officers would have to state if what they bring is a sample rather than the whole exhibit, but in practice this never happens.

He would have to tell you that there is more . So, what he has brought to you is just a sample of exhibits . So, if he was bringing samples of 41 kgs of suspected Cocaine, he would say to you, this is just a sample ? But what you are saying is he would never do that because it never happens .
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:16:56
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Investigating Officers must state if a sample is from a bigger exhibit.

Page 246 of 321 has to state that this is a sample of this bigger exhibit .
YouTube 7:16:49
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Investigating Officers do not bring samples only; they bring entire exhibits except for cannabis and cat, where sampling can be done according to National Instructions.

I think even the National Instructions stated that they can only do sampling in Cannabis and Cat only. So, exhibits, because the National Instructions stated that all exhibits, so, which means Cocaine, Heroin, Mandrax, all of the other drugs that are not plants, they must bring everything to the lab .
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:17:38
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The lab does not know if what the Investigating Officer brought is a sample or whole exhibit; to the lab it is always an exhibit.

The lab does not know that he brought a sample . As far as the lab is concerned , he brought an exhibit .
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:19:09
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Only Colonel Jacob and his team involved in the investigation would know if what was brought is a sample.

Only Colonel Jacob and his team that is involved in the investigation would know that it is a sample .
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:20:15
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Colonel Jacob would know the process that FSL requires relating to exhibits and sampling and destruction thereafter.

That the FS L would require all the exhibits, all the exhibits must go to F S L , that it does not work on the basis of a sample, and that on the basis of a finalisation of a sample, the rest of the exhibits would be destroyed . Would you expect that he knows that kind of process ? Yes .
YouTube 7:21:42
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Colonel Jacob's statement describes sampling as taking samples from a few bricks and placing a small amount into a smaller exhibit bag for analysis at FSL.

He says : “ I cannot recall exactly what instructions were , but it involved taking samples from a few bricks and placing a minute amount of powder into a small exhibit bag meant to accommodate these samples . This would then be conveyed to the FS L for analysis . ”
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:22:19
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Sampling is the process of taking a representative sample from a homogeneous population to identify the population's contents; it involves visual identification and counting according to a hypergeometric sampling plan used internationally by the lab.

Sampling is when you have a population . The population characters must be homologous , which means it must be the same . From there , then you take a representative sample from the homologous population . You take a representative sample from them , and then that representative sample will tell you what the population contains . ... The first step in sampling is the visual identification , whereby you are speaking to the characters , that the characters are homologous . The other steps in sampling is to count the population , because the lab uses a sampling plan called a hypergeometric sampling plan . The hypergeometric sampling plan is a sampling plan designed from statistical principles that the lab uses ...
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:24:13
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Sampling does not require special training; samples are forwarded by members to chemical analysts at the Chemistry Section.

There is no training or specialised skill involved in doing this . The samples are merely forwarded to the FS L by the member for chemical analysis by an analyst at the Chemistry Section .
YouTube 7:23:24
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To do proper sampling, the entire exhibit is required, not just part of it.

So you would need the entire exhibit . You would need all the exhibits .
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:28:34
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The quantity seized was 541 bricks, each suspected to weigh approximately one kilogram.

let us say it was 541 bricks, which each one is suspected or estimated to have been a kilogram each
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:29:20
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The sampling procedure for the bricks involves arranging, counting, grouping, random sampling, and ensuring all bricks are homologous.

I would arrange the bricks. I would count the bricks. In my counting, it means I must group each by 100
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:29:45
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The Investigating Officer does not decide the sample size or from which groups the sample is taken.

Does the Investigating Officer play any role in the sampling decision ... ? No, he does not.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:31:17
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Colonel Jacob has a BSc majoring in chemistry and biochemistry and gets trained in lab sampling procedures when joining the lab.

At the lab, when you join the lab, you are taken to training on how the lab operates. And sampling is like a module within that training...
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:32:02
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It is not feasible nor regulated for the Forensic Science Laboratory staff to come to a bulk bust scene to guide sampling.

If FSL is called by DPCI on a bulk bust like 541 bricks to come and guide them on sampling at the scene ... No.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:34:31
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Sampling cannot be done at the seizure scene due to risk of contamination and cross-contamination among items.

Can you do that at the scene of seizure? No, because there would be contamination, cross-contamination.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:32:50
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Cross contamination means each item must be treated independently to ensure correct forensic analysis results.

each item you must treat it independently because you do not want the results being affected by the... if it is powder... it means the whole environment will be contaminated
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:33:00
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Colonel Jacob never made any plan or undertaking to go to Port Shepstone to take bricks to the Forensic Science Laboratory for weighing.

I have never made any plan to go to Port Shepstone. I have never made any plan with Colonel Jacob to go to Port Shepstone.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:36:12
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judicial process
90% conf.

Warrant Officer Setshedi's advice to bring the whole seizure for weighing was misinterpreted as advice to only bring 7 to 10 bricks.

there was never a number because my advice to him was to bring the whole thing. The whole thing will be needed in order to determine the weight of the exhibits.
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:37:28
high
intimidation
95% conf.

Colonel Jacob was first accused of stealing the drugs before his interview and indicated he gave his statement under duress.

Warrant officer Setshedi admitted to being intimidated by those members that acquired his statement. He indicated that he was first accused of stealing the drugs before the interview began. In no uncertain terms, he made it known that this statement was made under duress.
YouTube 7:41:58
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police conduct
95% conf.

Setshedi refused to meet Colonel Jacob alone on 11 May 2026 due to distrust fearing Jacob would twist his words; Colonel Songca arranged for questions to be sent to Setshedi instead.

I told the Colonel that, Colonel, I am not comfortable to talk to Colonel Jacob alone ... I am afraid that he will twist whatever is said in that meeting... The Colonel said Colonel Jacob must send the questions that he wants to talk to me about. Then the questions were sent
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:44:03
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

Colonel Jacob stated on 27 October 2021 that people were planning to break into Port Shepstone office to steal drugs, but Setshedi clarifies he was informed of an attempted break-in by Brigadier Nyuswaha, not that people planned to break in.

that on 27 October 2021 that I had to told him that people were planning to break into Port Shepstone office to steal the drugs, when in fact I had told him that Brigadier Nyuswaha had informed me that there was attempted break-in at Port Shepstone office
YouTube 7:43:02
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police conduct
95% conf.

On 11 May 2026, Colonel Jacob communicated urgently through Setshedi's immediate supervisor to meet Setshedi and discuss the 27 October 2021 incident.

on the 11th of May 2026, the Colonel was communicating with my immediate Supervisor...requested to see me so that I can remind him what we talked about on the 27th of October 2021
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:43:47
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police conduct
90% conf.

Colonel Jacob persisted and on 19 May 2026 insisted on seeing Setshedi; after some back and forth, Jacob came with Lieutenant Colonel Sibiya to meet Setshedi at a new lab at Mayville.

on the 19th of May, he called again ... The Colonel said can I come now, now, now? Then the Colonel said okay ... Then the Colonel Jacob arrived with Lieutenant Colonel Sibiya ... they came to the lab ... to a new laboratory at Mayville
YouTube 7:44:44
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corruption
95% conf.

During the meeting, Colonel Jacob accused Setshedi of stealing drugs; Setshedi denied and said he issued a statement in 2022 about the investigation.

when he came, he said, hey, they are accusing me of stealing drugs. I did not do it. I do not know what they are talking about. Setshedi, what did you say to the guys who came in 2022, the investigation? Then I said to him, I issued a statement
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:47:29
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

In Setshedi's January 2022 affidavit, he confirms that on 27 October 2021 Colonel Jacob spoke to him about samples brought to the lab and a discussion about fearing break-in to the place where drugs were stored and destruction of exhibits, as well as expediting the process of samples.

You see, in paragraph 639, there you seem to be confirming parts of Jacob's version because you do say when he spoke to you on the 27th of October, he asked you about samples that had been brought to the lab ... he explained that he feared that people were going to break into the place where the drugs were stored, and he asked about the destruction of exhibits... and him wanting that process to be expedited
YouTube 7:49:41
unrated
corruption
90% conf.

Colonel Jacob accused Setshedi of planning to go to Port Shepstone; Setshedi denies any plan ever existed and says the only discussion was about guiding Jacob to talk to Colonel Khuwayo about destruction issues.

There was no plan that I made with you to go to Port Shepstone
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:48:50
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

Setshedi clarifies that the discussion on 27 October was about samples and their weight, not about destruction of 549 kilograms seized drugs, which he only knew about on 21 January 2022.

The discussion was about, it was not about ... because the 549, I knew in 022, the 21st of January. So, on the 27th, he was talking about samples, I was advising him about weight
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:52:36
unrated
judicial process
90% conf.

Colonel Jacob asked if destroying exhibits would affect the case, and Setshedi advised it would not, referring to samples brought to the lab for analysis of weight and count of exhibits.

he asked if destroying the exhibit will not affect the case ... the analyst who will be doing the analysis of the case will need the actual exhibits to determine the weight ... and weigh a certain number from the exhibits
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:52:49
unrated
police conduct
85% conf.

Setshedi admits he knew samples were brought to the Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) but never asked Colonel Jacob what those samples were, despite knowing such samples should not have been brought there.

he was asking about samples that had been brought to FS L ... I have never asked him ... I did not have that discussion
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:53:57
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procedural
95% conf.

The laboratory (FSL) did not have storage capacity for 541 kilograms of cocaine, so the procedures involved calling a supervisor to arrange storage and possibly moving items to Pretoria if space was inadequate.

C o m m i s s i o n e r, a l s o , m e a s a C l a n d e s t i n e L a b o r a t o r y, i f I h a v e a l a r g e q u a n t i t y o f e x h i b i t s , I w i l l c a l l m y S u p e r v i s o r w h i l e I a m o n t h e s c e n e a n d t h e n m y S u p e r v i s o r w i l l s t a r t a r r a n g e m e n t s f o r s t o r a g e . I f t h e s t o r a g e , t h e l a b d o e s n o t10 h a v e t h e s p a c e , t h e n t h e S u p e r v i s o r w i l l s a y t o m e , n o , y o u n e e d t o g o t o P r e t o r i a . Th e n w e s t a r t p r e p a r a t i o n f o r t h a t . T h e n a f t e r p r o c e s s i n g t h e s c e n e , t h e n w e t a k e e v e r y t h i n g t o P r e t o r i a .
WARRANT OFFICER SETSHEDIDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 7:58:14
unrated
procedural
85% conf.

FSL's operation was governed by National Instruction 1/2015, National Instruction 8/2017, and the Protocol on the Search, Seizure, Handling, Processing, and Disposal of Illicit Drugs at the time of the June 2021 cocaine seizure.

F S L 's o p e r a t i o n a t t h e t i m e w a s s u b j e c t t o N a t i o n a l I n s t r u c t i o n 1 / 2 0 1 5 , N a t i o n a l I n s t r u c t i o n 8 / 2 0 1 7 , a n d t h e P r o t o c o l o n t h e S e a r c h , S e i z u r e , H a n d l i n g , P r o c e s s i n g , a n d D i s p o s a l o f I l l i c i t D r u g s , t h e P r o t o c o l .
YouTube 8:06:44
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procedure
90% conf.

At 8 am on 23 June 2021, while on vacation leave, Lieutenant Colonel Songca received telephone calls instructing clan lab team members to assist Brigadier Nyuswa's team at Isipingo on a cocaine case and to guide on sampling procedures.

A n d o n t h a t d a y , i n t h e m o r n i n g , a r o u n d 8 o ' c l o c k , I r e c e i v e d a t e l e p h o n e c a l l f r o m o n e o f t h e t e a m m e m b e r s o n t h e c l a n l a b . T h e y a r e s t a n d b y d u t y m e m b e r s o f t w o m e m b e r s p e r t i m e . S o o n t h a t d a y , I r e c e i v e d a c a l l f r o m W a r r a n t O f f i c e r N k o s i , a n d h e i n f o r m e d m e t h a t h e h a s r e c e i v e d a c a l l f r o m C o l o n e l K h u z w a y o , w h o m I h a v e i d e n t i f i e d h e r a s m y d i r e c t C o m m a n d e r . C o l o n e l K h u z w a y o , f r o m t h e m e m b e r , h e i n d i c a t e d t h a t C o l o n e l K h u z w a y o r e q u e s t e d m y c l a n l a b t e a m m e m b e r s t o g o a n d a s s i s t B r i g a d i e r N y u s w a ' s t e a m a t10 I s i p i n g o f o r a C o c a i n e c a s e , a n d t o g u i d e B r i g a d i e r N y u s w a 's t e a m o n h o w t o s a m p l e .
YouTube 8:08:23
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90% conf.

Colonel Khuzwayo requested the clan lab team members to assist Brigadier Nyuswa's team at Isipingo for a cocaine case and to guide them on how to sample.

C o l o n e l K h u z w a y o , f r o m t h e m e m b e r , h e i n d i c a t e d t h a t C o l o n e l K h u z w a y o r e q u e s t e d m y c l a n l a b t e a m m e m b e r s t o g o a n d a s s i s t B r i g a d i e r N y u s w a ' s t e a m a t10 I s i p i n g o f o r a C o c a i n e c a s e , a n d t o g u i d e B r i g a d i e r N y u s w a 's t e a m o n h o w t o s a m p l e .
YouTube 8:08:23
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procedural
90% conf.

Colonel Khuzwayo and Brigadier Maluleke requested clan lab KZN team members to assist Brigadier Nyuswa's team at Isipingo on sampling in a cocaine case.

B r i g a d i e r M a l u l e k e i n d i c a t e d t o m e20 t h a t h e r e q u e s t e d m y t e a m m e m b e r s f o r c l a n l a b K Z N t o g o t o I s i p i n g o t o a s s i s t B r i g a d i e r N y u s w a ' s t e a m a n d g u i d e t h e m o n h o w t o s a m p l e i n a C o c a i n e c a s e .
YouTube 8:08:23
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

Colonel Khuzwayo requested LT-COL SONGCA's team to assist Brigadier Nyuswa's team to guide on how to sample a cocaine case at Isipingo and was informed that the clan lab team members cannot attend due to lack of training for sampling.

She said to me, she request my team to go and assist Brigadier Nyuswa's team to guide them on how to sample a Cocaine case at Isipingo. I responded the same way I have responded to Brigadier Maluleke to Colonel Khuzwayo and explained to her why my members cannot attend
YouTube 8:10:45
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

The clan lab team does not assist DPCI or investigating officers by guiding them on how to sample exhibits as this is a forensic lab function to be done by forensic experts.

I clearly defined and explained to Brigadier Maluleke that clan lab team do not assist DPCI or investigating officer on guiding them on how to sample because that is a forensic lab work to be done
YouTube 8:10:45
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

Colonel Khuzwayo and Brigadier Maluleke requested assistance contrary to established sampling protocol which LT-COL SONGCA had to explain to them.

This request from Colonel Khuzwayo and Brigadier Maluleke, does it mean they do not know this which you have had to explain to them?
YouTube 8:14:01
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police conduct
95% conf.

As per protocol, all drug exhibits except dagga and cat must be submitted to the Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) immediately, no later than seven days. Exhibits are registered, stored in the safe and await allocation to any available analyst. Clan lab members do not attend non-clan lab crime scenes to collect or sample exhibits that are stored or will be stored elsewhere.

In terms of the protocol, all drug exhibits except Dagga and Cat must be submitted to the FSL immediately but no later than seven days. Once the exhibits are at the FSL, the exhibits are registered, stored in the safe, awaiting allocation to any available analyst. My members do not attend non-clan lab crime scenes to collect samples of exhibits that are stored or will be stored elsewhere
YouTube 8:13:11
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA explained that she makes efforts to clarify sampling restrictions to senior officers and informs them of her good relationship with DPCI for information seeking and assistance.

I did my extent to explain to them my restriction as a clan lab manager so that they understand clearly even to the person who have phoned them to request. I even further explained to them, if you have got any challenge to the requestee, you can ask him to call me back because I have got a good relationship with DPCI.
YouTube 8:14:47
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA knew the assistance requested by Brigadier Nyuswa's team was related to a non-clan lab crime scene and therefore did not send her members out.

From the information that I have requested from the three people that have communicated to me, because I even asked from Colonel Khuzwayo, what is there that the members, they are going to do? He said, they are just going to assist them and guide them on how to sample. Then I said, it is not within my restriction for my members to guide the investigating officer because they do not have the training for sampling
YouTube 8:16:18
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA explained if Colonel Khuzwayo had requested her clan lab members to actually go out and do sampling (not just guide), she would still not have sent members because she has to minimize members going out unnecessarily and would require detailed information and direct contact with investigating officer.

If she indicates it is a clan lab, I further go in details because I have to minimise my members to go out where there is no need for that. I will request, because if they were phoning me in a state phone, I would request Colonel Khuzwayo to provide me the details of the investigating officer so that prior releasing my members, I contacted the investigating officer of the matter to find out the details of the actual area that is involved. This includes whereby they will even send me the photos and we can talk about the clan lab to see whether it fit in with the criteria
YouTube 8:17:27
unrated
procedural
90% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA received a call from Colonel Khuzwayo a few minutes later, repeating the request, but she did not know if Colonel Khuzwayo knew about the earlier call by Brigadier Maluleke.

You receive a few minutes later a call from Colonel Khuzwayo. Does she tell you why she is calling you with the same instruction? Did she know that Brigadier Maluleke had just called you? She did not indicate who called her. She just said, can my team members go and assist
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 8:19:45
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA has a direct contact with investigating officers to verify if the location meets the clan lab criteria before releasing members to attend a crime scene.

Even if Colonel Khuzwayo can say it is a clan lab, I will request a further communication with that investigating officer before I release my members
YouTube 8:18:48
unrated
judicial process
90% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA explained the sequence that Brigadier Maluleke calls her, she explains the restriction and is accepted by him.

Brigadier Maluleke calls you first. You explain and does he accept your explanation as to why your members are not going out? He said, okay, Colonel
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 8:19:24
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA has often been requested by DPCI to send members out but never to go and guide on sampling.

Have you ever been requested by DPCI directly to send your members out? A lot of time, Counsellor. But not to go and guide on sampling? No, Counsellor
ADV SEGEELS - NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 8:21:52
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police conduct
90% conf.

Brigadier Nyuswa's team would normally call LT-COL SONGCA directly for instructions on sampling or assistance.

Would you have expected Brigadier Nyuswa to call you directly or somebody from his team? Yes, Counsellor. Because they know you are the person that gives that instruction? Yes, Counsellor
YouTube 8:22:56
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

LT-COL SONGCA stated they have a good working relationship with DPCI and that she was shocked to receive calls from senior officers requesting assistance contrary to their protocol.

So we have got a good relationship working with them. So it was shocking for me now that I received a call from a senior but I am working with them. Almost they are my primary customers when it comes to clan lab
YouTube 8:22:19
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

On October 27, 2021, Warrant Officer Setshedi informed LT-COL SONGCA about a conversation with Lieutenant Colonel Jacob of DPCI, who usually works with him.

On this day, Warrant Officer Setshedi, around 11:20, he called me and he informed me that he had a conversation with Lieutenant Colonel Jacob of DPCI, who I usually work with him also
YouTube 8:23:38
unrated
police conduct
90% conf.

Warrant Officer Setshedi communicated with Lt Colonel Jacob about whether a case sampled by DPCI and forwarded to the FSL lab for analysis could be analyzed by one of the crime scene analysts, meaning his team members could assist.

Warrant Officer Setshedi informed me that there was Lieutenant Colonel Jacob early this morning and Lieutenant Colonel Jacob asked him if it is possible that the case that the DPCI sampled and forwarded to FSL lab for analysis could be analysed by one of the crime scene analysts, which means on those words, he was meaning my team members, can assists
YouTube 8:25:39
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police conduct
95% conf.

The procedural norm is that the investigating officer does not pick the analyst to analyze a case; the case was directly brought to the lab and was already within the FSL system, outside the clan lab's restrictions.

I responded to Warrant Officer Setshedi that procedurally, the IO do not pick up the analyst to analyse a case. And secondly, this case that Lieutenant Colonel Jacob was referring to was the case that was brought directly to the lab. So it was already within the FSL system, which is out of my restriction as a clan lab. So they indicated to Warrant Officer Setshedi that procedurally, investigating officer, they do not pick an analyst to analyse a case and that will not be done, and that was then.
YouTube 8:26:29
unrated
police conduct
85% conf.

Not all exhibits come to the FSL because a subsection collects exhibits; the witness does not have details on whether there was an error in sampling or timing regarding a case brought as a sample by DPCI.

Firstly, not all the exhibits come to the FSL, because there is my subsection that goes out there to collect exhibits. And secondly, the issue of sampling, I do not have the details whether sampling or they analyse or they brought it the wrong time, because I know nothing about this.
YouTube 8:28:30
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police conduct
90% conf.

If the witness had known that DPCI had already sampled and brought the sample themselves, he would have rejected the idea of analysis.

So had you known that they had actually sampled and brought a sample themselves, you would have rejected that? Yes, Counsellor.
YouTube 8:31:46
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judicial process
90% conf.

The witness received a telephone call from Colonel Jacob on 11 May requesting to speak to Warrant Officer Setshedi and asking about the statement Setshedi made when the investigating officer came.

On the 11th of May, I received a telephone call from Colonel Jacob and he requested from me to speak to Warrant Officer Setshedi and see what did he write on his statement. And I said, what do you want to know from Warrant Officer Setshedi? He said, I just want to remind myself, my apology, of what Warrant Officer Setshedi wrote while the investigating officer came.
YouTube 8:32:32
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

Colonel Jacob persistently called to see Warrant Officer Setshedi to remind himself of what Setshedi said in his statement; Setshedi was not in the office on the 20th and 21st May due to police college attendance.

Then on the 19th, he called me again. The 19th of May, he called me again, insisting, Colonel, please, can I see Warrant Officer Setshedi? I wanted to remind myself, what did he say in his statement? I said, Warrant Officer Setshedi is in the office today, but 20th and the 21st, he will not be in the office because he is doing the police, what we call it, after the college.
YouTube 8:34:29
unrated
police conduct
95% conf.

The questions Colonel Jacob asked pertained to destruction, which is outside the matter of Warrant Officer Setshedi; the witness, as Setshedi's commander, is not involved in destruction or case management and does not understand why Jacob wanted to know about those matters.

But when I read these questions, it is what asking about destruction, which is out of Setshedi's matter. Then I said, Colonel, these questions are awkward for Setshedi. I do not know why Colonel Jacob wants to discuss such questions because these operational questions, which also myself as his Commander is not involved. I am not involved in destruction. I am not involved about case management.
YouTube 8:34:29
medium
judicial process
80% conf.

Colonel Jacob was insistent on meeting Warrant Officer Setshedi and was furious when Setshedi could not recall what he wanted him to remember.

So that was a little bit concerning to me because he was continuously persisting to meet with Setshedi... He was really furious that Setshedi is supposed to remember something
YouTube 8:36:54
unrated
judicial process
85% conf.

There was a WhatsApp message sent on 11 May 2026 relating to matters discussed involving Colonel Khuzwayo, which was no longer accessible during preparation.

the message came on the 11th May 2026... now when we are preparing, I want this message, it is no longer there... But the contact that he sent the message with is still with him, my phone and it was a WhatsApp communication
LT-COL SONGCADay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2026-05-11
YouTube 8:42:07
unrated
intimidation
90% conf.

Warrant Officer Setshedi did not report being intimidated during the January 2022 Port Shepstone theft investigation.

During the meeting of the 19th of May, did Warrant Officer Setshedi say anything about him being intimidated by the investigators of the Port Shepstone theft in January, 2022?... No, Counsellor
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2022-01Location: Port Shepstone
YouTube 8:43:35
unrated
other
90% conf.

Colonel Khuwayo was a Section Commander in 2013 responsible for the Chemistry section dealing with drug and firearm cases including clandestine drug laboratories.

I am responsible for the Chemistry section, which deals with cases such as suspected illicit drug and fire investigation.
YouTube 8:50:17
unrated
other
95% conf.

On 22 June 2021, Colonel Khuwayo received a call from DPCI KZN members requesting FS L members to assist at a drug-related crime scene the next day.

On the 22nd of June 2021, I received a call from a member of DPCI, KZN... I was requested to make members of FS L available to assist the DPCI members for a crime scene the following day. I was informed that it is related to drugs.
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06-22
YouTube 8:51:54
unrated
other
90% conf.

FS L members only attend clandestine drug lab crime scenes (clan labs) and not harbour or port seizures (non-clan lab crime scenes).

FS L members are only required to attend CDL crime scenes. They do not attend crime scenes such as harbour or the port seizures, which I refer to as non-clan lab crime scenes.
YouTube 8:53:28
unrated
other
90% conf.

Colonel Jacob stated he contacted Colonel Khuwayo or the stand by number on 22 June 2021 and was informed FS L would not attend because it was not an active clan lab scene and that FS L had no space to store the exhibits.

Colonel Jacob stated that he contacted me or the standby number on the 22nd of June 2021 and he was informed that FS L would not attend the scene as it was not an active clan lab scene and the FS L did not have space to store the exhibits.
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: 2021-06-22
YouTube 8:56:23
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other
95% conf.

Colonel Khuwayo denies telling Colonel Jacob that FS L did not have space to store the exhibits and had no discussion about storage capacity.

I do not recall telling Colonel Jacob that FS L do not have space to store the exhibits. As far as I recall, I did not have any discussion with anyone regarding the FS L's capacity to store the exhibits.
YouTube 8:56:23
unrated
other
95% conf.

Colonel Khuwayo agreed with Colonel Songca's response and informed Brigadier Maluleke that FS L could not send members to assist for reasons stated by Colonel Songca.

I accepted and agreed with her response. Thereafter, I contacted Brigadier Maluleke and informed him that we could not send members for the reasons mentioned by Colonel Songca during our call.
YouTube 8:56:23
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other
95% conf.

FS L Amanzimtoti did not have storage capacity for 541kg of cocaine due to flooding issues affecting the storage safe on the ground floor.

the challenge is our lab in Amanzimtoti was situated at a flood plain zone... So with that, the floods also contributed in us having limited space now in our safe.
Colonel KhuwayoDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 9:01:12
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other
95% conf.

It was well known that FS L Amanzimtoti did not have space to store large quantities of drugs, and any storage request would require FS L Amanzimtoti to contact FS L Pretoria.

At the time, it was well known that FS L Amanzimtoti simply did not have the space to store such large quantity of drugs. Therefore, if I was told that DPCI needed the members to collect the exhibits, not just to assist in sampling, I would have informed DPCI and that FS L Amanzimtoti did not have space and had I been told about the quantity. If in any event, DPCI members already knew that FS L Amanzimtoti does not have the capacity to store such large quantities, the safe is not big enough. However, there was never a discussion about FS L receiving exhibits. The discussion was only about sampling.
Colonel KhuwayoDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 9:02:54
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police conduct
90% conf.

The Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) at Amanzimtoti lacked the capacity to store large illicit drug exhibits and could not send members to non-clan lab crime scenes; they only attend clan labs with preparatory materials and end products.

FSL Amanzimtoti did not have capacity to store large illicit drug exhibits. FSL also could not send members to a non-clan lab crime scene. FSL operations are governed by the aforementioned National Instructions and the Protocol. FSL members only attend clan labs where preparatory material to produced drugs and end products are found.
YouTube 9:04:21
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procedural
85% conf.

The DPCI's request on 22 and 23 June for FSL to assist with sampling and exhibits was irregular and not in accordance with FSL protocols.

The request made on the 22nd and 23rd of June for FSL to assist with sampling and exhibits was not in accordance with our prescripts.
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 22-23, 2021
YouTube 9:05:56
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procedural
90% conf.

After the theft of exhibits in November 2021, DPCI inquired from FSL whether DPCI could destroy the exhibits instead of FSL, which is irregular since only FSL is permitted to destroy exhibits and the process is quite involved.

After the theft of the exhibits in November 2021, I was made aware that DPCI had enquired from FSL whether DPCI could destroy the exhibits instead of FSL. This request is highly irregular as only FSL is permitted to destroy exhibits and the process is quite involved.
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: November 2021
YouTube 9:07:28
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judicial process
90% conf.

Colonel Khuzwayo received a call from Brigadier Maluleke on 23 June 2021 regarding whether DPCI members may attend a certain scene.

He was asking me whether the members attend because he was getting a call from Brigadier Nyuswa for our members to attend.
COLONEL KHUZWAYODay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 23, 2021
YouTube 9:09:32
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judicial process
85% conf.

Colonel Khuzwayo was not aware of the sequence of telephone calls between Brigadier Maluleke and Colonel Songa because he was phoning her at about the same time.

I am not aware of the sequence of telephone calls because we were phoning her like it is about the same time.
COLONEL KHUZWAYODay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 9:10:24
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judicial process
90% conf.

Colonel Khuzwayo initiated contact to inform Brigadier Maluleke that Colonel Songa agreed to the members attending the scene, but Brigadier Maluleke had not informed him of prior conversation with her.

It is me who phoned him to inform him that Colonel Songa said this, so he said it is fine. But he did not say that he has already spoke to her.
COLONEL KHUZWAYODay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
YouTube 9:11:18
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There was a discussion documented in an affidavit dated 9 November 2021 involving Colonel Jacob and Colonel Khuzwayo about instructions for taking samples of exhibits to forward to the Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL).

The affidavit was deposed to by Colonel Jacob. The relevant part: 'The following day on the 23rd of June 021, he informed me... He also requested him to take samples of the exhibits to forward to the FSL ... This was done by Warrant Officer Mpangase on the 23rd of June 2021.'
ADV KHUMALO SC / COLONEL KHUZWAYODay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 23, 2021
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The phone call Colonel Khuzwayo received on 23 June 2021 concerned members attending the crime scene, not about sampling.

It was not about sampling. It was about members who attend the crime scene.
COLONEL KHUZWAYODay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 23, 2021
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The call came in the morning of 23 June 2021 and related to members attending the crime scene the following day.

The 22nd was him telling me that the members would be needed the following day, which is the 23rd. So again, the call came in the morning on the 23rd.
COLONEL KHUZWAYODay 111 · 02 Jun 2026Refers to: June 22-23, 2021
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The call on 23 June 2021 was from Brigadier Nyuswa instructing Brigadier Maluleke that DPCI members should attend the crime scene.

It was from Brigadier Nyuswa telling Brigadier Maluleke for our members to go and attend the scene.
COLONEL KHUZWAYODay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Colonel Khuzwayo does not know about a conversation on 27 October 2021 involving Warrant Officer Setshedi as recounted in paragraph 14 of the document.

this is where it all gets confusing. And then paragraph 14 is not really you, but here here counts what happened on the 27th of October 021 and his conversation with Warrant Officer Setshedi. You would not know anything about that ?
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Colonel Khuzwayo was told by Brigadier Maluleke on the following day that Brigadier Nyuswa wanted members to assist with sampling and guiding at the crime scene.

that one was from the following day now , the second call where Brigadier Maluleke says Brigadier Nyuswa wants our members to go and assist in sampling and guiding and all those things
Colonel KhuzwayoDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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On 22 June, a DPCI member calling Colonel Khuzwayo did not inform him that members would need guidance on sampling, only that FSL members were needed to be available for a crime scene.

On the 22nd , the DPCI member that called you , either Brigadier Nyuswa or Colonel Jacob , does not tell you that they are going to need guidance on sampling . They just say they will need FSL members ... to be available , yes , for a crime scene
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Colonel Khuzwayo was not told on 23 June where the members would be needed to assist with sampling as details were to be obtained directly by the members from DPCI.

No , they did not . They were not specific . I just called the members to tell them that the DPCI , they need them . I know that members , normally they communicate with them directly . So they were going to phone them to get all those details . So it was not for me to get those details for them .
Colonel KhuzwayoDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Colonel Khuzwayo did not know that exhibits had gone to Port Shepstone already on 3rd July.

And you do not know at that stage that the exhibits have gone to Port Shepstone already ? I did not know
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Colonel Khuzwayo could not remember if the crime scene was at Isipingo on 22 June but that may be the only information he has.

I cannot remember . I cannot remember whether Isipingo was mentioned on that day ... maybe that is the only thing that I have , Isipingo
Colonel KhuzwayoDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Colonel Khuzwayo was not told on 3rd July by Brigadier Maluleke where the members would have to go.

But when you get the call on the 3rd from Brigadier Maluleke , he does not say where the members would have to go
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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Colonel Khuzwayo did not speak to any DPCI members on 23 June; the only time he spoke to DPCI members was on 22 June to get members ready.

On the 23rd , did you speak to any DPCI members ? No ... So the only time you spoke to DPCI members was on the 22nd of June
ADV SEGEELS-NCUBEDay 111 · 02 Jun 2026
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