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Day 153 · 04 Aug 2026

Hearing day 153

Witness: Adv Peter Serunye. Evidence Leader: Adv Pooe.

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criminality
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Peter Serunye is currently reassigned to the Investigating Directorate Against Corruption (IDAC) of the National Prosecuting Authority of South Africa and has personal knowledge of IDAC's criminal investigations into allegations against Lieutenant General Samuel Dumisani Khumalo and six other Crime Intelligence officials regarding the appointment of Brigadier Mokwele.

I have been subpoenaed by the Commission to give evidence regarding my involvement in and knowledge of IDAC's criminal investigation into the allegations against Lieutenant General Samuel Dumisani Khumalo and six other Crime Intelligence officials regarding the appointment of Brigadier Mokwele, commonly referred to as the Mokwele matter (State versus Khumalo and others) and the matter of Major General Lushaba.
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Peter Serunye was authorized by the then Investigating Director Hermione Cronje on 13 October 2021 to exercise powers under section 24(2) of the National Prosecuting Authority Act and to represent the state in criminal proceedings and appeals instituted by the Investigating Directorate within South Africa.

On 13 October 2021, I was issued with an authorization by then ID Advocate Hermione Cronje, the then-Investigating Director of the Investigating Directorate, to exercise powers as set out in section 24(2) of the National Prosecuting Authority, Act 32 of 1998, and to appear on behalf of the state in criminal proceedings, appeals and matters arising from criminal proceedings instituted by the Investigating Directorate in all jurisdictional areas and courts within the Republic of South Africa in respect of any offence envisaged in section 7(1) read with proclamation 20 of 2019, and section 28(1)(c) of the National Prosecuting Authority, Act 32 of 1998, and I attach as Annexure PS1 the authorization.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2021-10-13
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corruption
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Advocate Annemarie Friedman oversaw Eskom-related matters and the late Advocate Dobada oversaw Transnet-related matters; following Advocate Dobada's passing, Advocate Witbooi took over as Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions on contract.

Advocate Annemarie Friedman oversaw Eskom-related matters, and the late Advocate Dobada oversaw the Transnet-related matters. Following Advocate Dobada's passing, his group was taken over by Advocate Witbooi, who was a Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions on contract.
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corruption
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Within IDAC, Peter Serunye's principal functions are to prosecute and manage a group handling high-level corruption cases in both public and private sectors.

Within IDAC, my functions are principally the prosecution and the management and oversight of a group that deals with high-level corruption cases in the public and private sector.
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Peter Serunye states that his colleague Advocate Louw, now retired, oversaw cases in the security cluster from the intelligence services at the police.

My colleague, who is now on pension, Advocate Louw, oversaw cases in the security cluster largely emanating from the intelligence services at the police.
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corruption
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The group led by Peter Serunye within IDAC comprises senior and junior state advocates (prosecutors), lead investigators, criminal investigators, financial investigators including a chief financial investigator, a data analyst, and a project manager, and operated through four groups each headed by a Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions and a project owner.

The group comprises of senior and junior state advocates, that is, prosecutors, and then lead investigators, criminal investigators, financial investigators, as well as chief financial investigators, a data analyst and a project manager. At the relevant time, IDAC operated through four groups, each headed by a Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions and a project who would then also be a project owner to cases under such groups. I headed the group dealing with high-level corruption in the public and private sector as aforesaid.
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IDAC groups carried historic matters as well as matters generated from recommendations of Commissions of Inquiry such as the State Capture Commission (Zondo Commission), Mpati Commission, and Nugent Commission.

Each group carried both historical matters and matters generated from the recommendations of the Commissions of Inquiry, that is, the State Capture Commission, commonly known as the Zondo Commission, the Mpati Commission, and the Nugent Commission.
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other
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Advocate Talita Louw retired at the end of April 2026 and took over her group.

Advocate Louw retired at the end of April this year, 2026. It is now Advocate, her surname is also Louw. I am trying to remember, but I cannot remember her name now, Advocate, her surname is also Louw. Ja, Talita Louw, I think, yes.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2026-04
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The group would deliberate and compile memoranda for Investigating Director (ID) to authorize investigations based on Commission reports, requesting authorization under section 28(1A) or 28(13).

Once a possible matter was identified from a Commission report, we would deliberate as a group, and I would then compile a memorandum addressed to the Investigating Director motivating for the authorization of an investigation. In the said application, I would also then request the ID, if she finds that to be in order, to authorize the matter, either in terms of section 28(1A) or 28(13).
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Approval of investigations includes designation of officials such as financial investigators, data analysts, and prosecutors, subject to Investigating Director's approval.

In the application, ask her to authorize the designation of the officials that I would have listed in the application, financial investigators, investigators, data analysts, and so on. The ID would then consider the application, and if it is approved, we then get a feedback via the project manager, then we start working on the matter.
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corruption
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The group overseen by Advocate Serunye dealt with high-level corruption in the public and private sectors by identifying potential cases from recommendations of Commissions of Inquiry such as the Zondo and Mpati Commissions.

I was overseeing a group that was dealing with high-level corruption in the public and private sectors. We identified potential cases from the recommendations and evidence of Commissions of Inquiry that I have earlier listed, the Zondo, Mpati, and Nugent Commission.
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Team composition includes a balance of lead criminal investigators, lead financial investigators, junior investigators, prosecutors, data analysts, and may include multiple senior and junior prosecutors based on case complexity.

And I must then have a balance of officials, a lead criminal investigator, a lead financial investigator, and maybe a junior criminal investigator, and a junior financial investigator, prosecutors. Depending on the complicity of the case, I may have two senior state advocates and a junior, and try and balance the team like that, including a data analyst, and so on.
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The application process includes indicating the names of individuals forming part of the team, usually designated by Deputy Directors of Public Prosecutions who head such groups.

In the application, I include a list of names of people. Always, in each of these cases, there must be a Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions who is the project owner, who is heading the group.
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The Investigating Director reviews and approves or suggests changes to the team composition, including possible inclusion of additional investigators or prosecutors.

She would suggest, maybe looking at the balance of the team, that you still need another prosecutor, either a junior or a senior, without specifying a name, without recommending includes so-and-so. She would just advise, beef up your team, you still need another data analyst to this or that, but without specifying a name.
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A Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions must always be part of the team for any section 27 referral or Commission matter; it is mandatory and never omitted.

From inception. There must be a Deputy who is the project owner of the project.
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Advocate Serunye confirms that any application to the ID is made by them first, and the ID then makes a recommendation; the ID has never approached them to initiate an application independently.

Indeed, Commissioner, I would have made an application and she then makes a recommendation. She has never approached me to say I ...
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Advocate Serunye states that in their experience, the Investigating Director (ID) has never instructed them to draft applications under sections 28(1) or (13), but the ID makes recommendations and notes on such applications.

No, it has never happened to me in that sense, but there are instances where, let us say, my memo would ask her to authorize the matter in terms of 28(1A), but after going through what would have been presented before him, she, I know of one matter where she would have said, no ... she then makes notes on the memo. She sort of recommends or does not recommend. When she recommends, she makes notes, or if she does not recommend, she also makes notes saying why.
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The reporting structure of IDAC includes the Investigating Director (Advocate Andrea Johnson) at the top, with Head of Investigations and Operations (Mr Matthew Sesoko) reporting directly to the ID, alongside four Deputy Directors who also report to the ID.

The Investigating Director, Advocate Andrea Johnson, heads the unit. The Head of Investigations and Operations, the position is held by Mr Matthew Sesoko. He sits at the same level as Deputy Directors and reports directly to the Investigating Director.
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Operationally, teams report to Mr Sesoko, who acts like a CEO managing daily operations and briefs the Investigating Director.

Yes. Chair, we report to Mr Sesoko, we brief him as the investigation, as we are busy with the investigation, we call him, we even make reports, quarterly reports and there is a structure which he is heading where on a monthly basis we meet and we then present these cases to him with a view that he will then brief the ID on how far the cases are, where we need resources will inform him, where we are having challenges, we inform him.
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Reporting to Mr Sesoko on a monthly basis is a requirement per the operations manual, and project managers are responsible for preparing these reports.

That happens. It is a requirement. Project managers are in charge of, they are responsible for doing those reports. Our meetings are held or at least were held monthly, yes, with Mr Sesoko and then we will then report on these cases.
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The reporting is about progress and challenges and does not include Mr Sesoko advising on prosecution decisions.

No, it is not Commissioner. He does not question issues up to that level where he can say why these charges, why not those charges or why. No, it is more to report to him about the progress and where we are having challenges. It is not about him advising on - I know Mr Sesoko used to be a prosecutor many years ago but the function here for him is not to advise on legal issues or anything, he is more of a CEO in charge of our daily operations, yes.
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Mr Sesoko does not advise on legal issues such as charges or prosecutions but focuses on operational management.

No, it is not Commissioner. He does not question issues up to that level where he can say why these charges, why not those charges or why. No, it is more to report to him about the progress and where we are having challenges. It is not about him advising on - I know Mr Sesoko used to be a prosecutor many years ago but the function here for him is not to advise on legal issues or anything, he is more of a CEO in charge of our daily operations, yes.
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The IDAC manual was signed in 2024 and guides day-to-day operations of new IDAC employees, serving as an induction manual for new officials.

I think it was signed in 2024, I am trying to get the date, by Mr Sesoko and the ID.
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The IDAC team consists of seniors as senior state advocates, juniors as junior state advocates, and investigators including two chief investigators named Perumalan and Nico Booi, with investigators reporting monthly to the chief investigators.

beneath the DDPP’s are the senior state advocates and then the junior state advocates and on the investigative side we then IDAC drew both on investigators seconded from the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation and on contracted civilians who were hired as financial investigators ... including a chief investigator ... currently have two. It is Chief Investigator Perumalan and Chief Investigator Booi, Nico Booi ... all the investigators are reporting directly to the two chief investigators on a monthly basis.
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The two chief investigators are spread across all four IDAC groups, with monthly reports via a structure chaired by the Head of Investigation Operations Mr Sesoko.

they are spread within all four groups ... deputies, chief investigators and project managers report on each matter through a structure chaired by the Head of Investigation Operations, Mr Sesoko
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IDAC prosecutors are assigned to four groups but may work across groups for experience or to meet shortages; this flexibility was introduced by Advocate Johnson replacing a prior permanent group allocation approach by Advocate Cronje.

person can be designated by that group that requires those services ... before the time of Advocate Johnson ... Advocate Cronje ... when you are designated to a group you belong to that group throughout, but when Advocate Johnson came she changed and she was of the view that people should get experience dealing with all the cases, type of cases and therefore no one investigator or prosecutor is permanently based in a group
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ADV Serunye states there is no regular rotation system in cross group sharing; it mainly happens due to shortages or new matters.

There is not a regularized rotation. It is mainly when the shortages and sometimes when a new matter ...
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The Investigating Director reports to the National Director of Public Prosecutions and Parliament, including appearances when called.

The Investigating Director in turn reports to the National Director of Public Prosecutions and also to Parliament as and when she is called.
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Before using a prosecutor from another group, permission must be sought from that prosecutor's Deputy and informed to them, with Deputies agreeing on resource sharing matters.

before I include another member from another group ... I have to discuss with their Deputy first and to inform them and we then agree as Deputies ... there is that engagement between Deputies
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The financial year for contracts with individuals in IDAC runs from 1 April to 1 March, requiring quarterly performance assessments and communication between Deputies when prosecutors or investigators move between groups.

our financial year runs from 1 April to 1st of March ... on a quarterly basis we do performance assessments ... therefore when we are having a person ... in this group and in that group ... for that specific year the person has signed a contract
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New matters from the public are evaluated for jurisdiction under IDAC's mandate via an intake process involving a secretariat chaired by Mr Sesoko, with a Deputy and a chief investigator reviewing and recommending disposition.

once the IDAC was set up ... the manual talks of a secretariat which will receive these cases ... then there is an intake criteria which has to sit to determine whether these cases belong ... Mr Sesoko will always sit in those ... there would then be a Deputy and a chief investigator ... it also recommends either senior state advocate or a chief investigator
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ADV Serunye experienced one situation where a junior in her group was used for the Mokwele/Lushaba matter without her knowledge or engagement.

one of the juniors in my group was utilized for these Mokwele / Lushaba matters without my knowledge and engagement.
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Each employee signing non-disclosure forms is restricted to only knowing the facts and suspects within their specific group working on a case, with no sharing of information between groups unless designated otherwise.

signing of non-disclosure forms, this is drilled into each and every employee that comes in, the non-sharing of information. So when a group is dealing with a case, only that group knows the facts, who are the suspect ... We do not share information.
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Every matter is headed by a Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) who acts as project owner; there are no exceptions to this rule.

every matter is headed by a DPP who acts as a project owner ... There is no, there is no exception to that rule ... There should not be ... The re should not be exceptions.
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A case cannot proceed with investigations or subpoenas without a DPP appointed to it; the DPP signs subpoenas and provides leadership in investigations.

each case must have a DPP ... when we need information from banks, cellphone providers ... we serve them with subpoenas ... That subpoena can only be signed by a DPP ... if a group does not have a DPP, I cannot see how they are going to proceed with an investigation ... you need a senior prosecutor overseeing and guiding the investigation.
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The Mokwele matter involved a large arrest of high-ranking police officers on 26 June 2025, attracting significant attention and talk within the office.

My involvement in the Mokwele matter, paragraph 21: 'On the morning of 27 June 2005, I arrived at the office as usual ... This arrest was on a number of high-ranking police officers.'
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-06-26
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Without a DPP, investigations stall, leadership is lacking, and the team cannot properly progress, akin to a soccer team without a coach.

When no DPP is appointed ... investigations are going to stall ... You do not have leadership ... you need a leader in the form of a DPP to help direct the team ... It is like a soccer team playing a match without a coach.
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In the Mokwele case, there were arrests made which would have implied investigations had already taken place within IDAC, but Advocate Serunye was not aware of such investigations because the case was not in their group.

Once an IDAC matter reaches the stage of an arrest, there would surely have been some investigations already ... That is what has to happen ... You cannot arrest without doing investigations ... I was not aware because this case was not in my group.
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Advocate Joy Hlatshwayo, a junior state advocate reporting to Advocate Serunye's group, was handling the Mokwele case and appearing as prosecutor, without being formally transferred to that group.

Advocate Joy Hlatshwayo ... who was at the time reporting to me or my group ... she was amongst the most junior in the office ... I am told she is the one who is handling this case ... She was appearing ...
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Advocate Paul Louw was supposed to be the DPP responsible for the Intelligence stream in IDAC but was unaware of the Mokwele case, which was strange since he was in the office that morning.

Advocate Paul Louw should have been the DPP responsible for this stream ... I think you said Intelligence ... He was responsible for that ... he was also there in the office that morning and that is why he did not appear to know anything about this case ... that was strange.
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Advocate Hlatshwayo was handling the prosecution in the Mokwele case without proper communication or request made between Deputies about her transfer to the prosecution group handling the case.

You told us that if someone were to be taken from a Deputy by another Deputy, there would be a discussion between the Deputies. Obviously nobody had approached you and asked that Advocate Hlatshwayo be part of the prosecution in another group or team. So that is an anomaly.
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Advocate Paul Louw was part of the security cluster team and the junior prosecutor was working under him but he was not made aware of the case.

He was working under Advocate Louw... So he was in the security cluster which was headed by Advocate Louw... The only amazing thing, Chair, is that Advocate Louw appeared also not to know about this case
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judicial process
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Advocate Serunye and others found that Advocate Hlatshwayo was conducting bail proceedings without proper support from a senior state advocate or DDPP, which concerned them given the case's magnitude involving senior police members.

I was concerned that in matters of this magnitude involving the arrest of senior members of the police was being handled without such support and without a DDPP overseeing it... We then decided, the three of us, we then decided to approach the Head of the unit, the Investigating Director, Advocate Johnson, to request permission to attend court to assist Advocate Hlatshwayo
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Advocate Hlatshwayo was appointed by the Investigating Directorate (ID) as the prosecutor on the case, and the initial prosecutor was Advocate Dr Ram Samy.

she was appointed by the ID and I was told that initially the only prosecutor in the matter was Advocate Ramsamy, Dr Ramsamy, and that Hlatshwayo was then also allocated or at least designated to the matter around May, so earlier, just shortly before the arrest in this case.
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Advocate Hlatshwayo requested the court impose a condition that witnesses not be contacted or interviewed by the accused, which led the magistrate to require a list of witnesses.

Advocate Hlatshwayo asked the court to impose a condition that the witnesses not be contacted or interviewed by the accused. The magistrate indicated that he required a list of the witnesses, as he could not simply warn them
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Advocate Hlatshwayo conducted bail proceedings on behalf of the State, indicating that bail was not opposed, but at times struggled with court questions and consulted with Advocate Serunye and Mr. Padayachee.

Advocate Hlatshwayo conducted the bail proceedings on behalf of the State, indicating that the State was not opposing bail...At various points Advocate Hlatshwayo experienced difficulty answering questions from the court and conferred with me and with Mr Padayachee
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A bail statement contains reasons why the State is not opposing bail and avoids the need for the investigating officer to testify viva voce in court.

Schedule 5 ... The accused to be released on bail has to bring an application and satisfy the court... the state, to avoid the investigating officer to testify viva voce in court, he then compiles an affidavit setting out... the reasons why we are not opposing
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It is necessary for the investigating officer (IO) to compile an affidavit or statement addressing issues such as criminal records and flight risk under Schedule 5, and this is a procedural necessity in bail applications.

it has to happen ... at least by way of an affidavit from the IO or so
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Brian explained that a list of witnesses was withheld during the bail application because the prosecution had other outstanding investigations against some persons and did not want their identities to be disclosed.

I then asked Brian ... No , no , we have other outstanding investigations against some of these people , so that is why we do not want the list of these people to be known , because if we list them , that is going to impact on our outstanding cases
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In the bail application in question, the state or prosecution failed to compile or submit a bail statement or affidavit, indicating unpreparedness for the bail application.

But in this case , the bail application or the statement was not done , which was one of the things that made me realize that this team did not appear to have been ready for this bail application
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Witnesses were instructed by Mr Padayachee's team to immediately report if contacted by the accused to prevent danger and protect ongoing investigations involving the same accused.

Padayachee and his team would have discussed with the witnesses, if anyone contacts you , please let us know, so that they can take steps ... so that there was no danger in that regard
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The magistrate expressed that he was not convinced the state had a strong case, noting the case was not typical fraud or corruption, and this influenced his decision to grant bail.

the magistrate himself remarked that he was not persuaded that the state had a strong case ... He says, one of the things that I have considered is this issue, and I am not convinced about the strength of the state case as it stands
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The magistrate imposed a bail condition prohibiting the accused from entering the premises of Crime Intelligence anywhere in the country without request from the state or investigating officer and without reasons provided by the magistrate.

Among the conditions imposed by the magistrate was a condition that the accused do not enter the premises of Crime Intelligence anywhere in the country . Neither the state nor the investigating officer had requested that condition , and the magistrate gave no reasons for imposing it
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Advocate Serunye stayed in court throughout the bail application until it was finalized.

Indeed, Commissioner, I stayed in court until the bail application was finalized
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Mr Padayachee left the court just before the magistrate started delivering the judgment to catch a flight back to Durban or Port Elizabeth.

Mr Padayachee was with us up to a certain point... He had to catch a flight back to Durban or Port Elizabeth ... when the magistrate was delivering judgment, he was no longer there
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Mr Padayachee was still in court and present during discussions about bail conditions but left just before the magistrate began delivering the judgment.

when Hlatshwayo was addressing the court about the conditions, he was still there. ... I think he left just before the magistrate had started delivering judgment
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Advocate Serunye did not make a report to the ID or Mr Sesokoo on the developments or concerns relating to the bail proceedings on that day due to insufficient information and not being part of the case.

personally, I did not, because at least at this stage I did not have enough information ... Personally, I did not at least at this stage make any report because I was not part of the case
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At the time of the bail proceedings, there was no Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions (DDPP) or senior prosecutor ready, and the matter was run by the most junior prosecutor, forcing an uninvolved person to step in.

...you knew that day was that there was no DD, there was no senior prosecutor, they certainly did not appear to be ready for the bail proceedings, you had to step in as somebody who is completely not involved. This was run by the most junior prosecutor...
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Advocate Serunye confirms that she was not formally designated to the team handling the case under section 28 provisions and could not get involved beyond assisting at court due to non-disclosure forms.

...I am not designated to the team, formally in terms of the relevant provisions of section 28...I cannot go beyond trying to find out even about the facts and getting myself involved that much... My request on the day to the ID was to be allowed to go and help in court, and that was granted.
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The matter was proceeding without a DDPP and project owner, implying that even with Advocate Ramsamy assisting, it was still junior prosecutors handling the case, which was a concern due to the involvement of high-level SAPS officials.

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After the bail application, Adv Serunye was not supposed to be part of the team and ended her involvement there; her involvement resumed only when formally included by the ID on 8 August 2025.

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Adv Serunye was not involved in the case between 27 June 2025 and 8 August 2025, the 'intervening period'.

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ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-06 to 2025-08
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Advocate Serunye felt set up by the way a case was handled and doubted the merits of the case until recent evidence led to a change in opinion.

I sort of feel a little bit angry, if I think about it, that it feels like I was set up, not only me, but Hlatshwayo as well... I think, junior as she was, I do not think she was supposed to have been involved in this case, and looking at it now, it appears to me she was, she was set up.
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On 8 August 2025, Investigating Director included Advocate Serunye formally into the matter to oversee two cases and attend to a bail amendment application, with Advocate Drushantha Ramsamy and Advocate Hlatshwayo as lead prosecutors of different matters.

On 8th of August, 2025, the Investigating Director convened a short meeting and informed me that she had decided to include me in the matter... She asked me to oversee the two matters, the Lushaba matter and the Khumalo, and others (Mokwele matter) with Advocate Drushantha Ramsamy as remaining the lead prosecutor in the Lushaba matter, and Advocate Hlatshwayo remaining the lead in the Mokwele matter. She further asked me to attend to an anticipated bail amendment application under section 63 of the Criminal Procedure Act...
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Advocate Serunye did not know that the bail condition imposed was not asked for by the prosecution at the time and was unaware whether Advocate Hlatshwayo reported back to Advocate Johnson after the bail application.

Commissioner, I did not know at the time... I would have expected the prosecutor, Advocate Hlatshwayo, after the bail application to give a report to Advocate Johnson... Therefore, I did not know how much she knew of what happened in court on that day, and what she did not know.
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Advocate Serunye was appointed as supervising DPP for the Lushaba and Khumalo/Mokwele matters, coming in after no DPP was previously appointed to oversee those cases.

I was coming in as a supervisor... there is no DDPP appointed into the matter, so I am coming in after the fact as a DDPP to oversee the two cases.
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Advocate Serunye described the meeting with the Investigating Director as very short and more of an instruction than a consultation, being told what to do without raising concerns about a junior lead prosecutor.

It was a very short meeting, being told what to do, and it was the end of the meeting... It was an instruction, more than anything.
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Advocate Serunye requested the section 27 referral document multiple times from Mr Brian Padayachee but was never given it, indicating that either he did not have it or it was lost or disappeared.

It was never given to me, Commissioner Baloyi. I asked for it. I spoke with Mr Brian Padayachee on about three, four occasions. And every time when I was asking for that, he could not give it to me ... It appears either it was lost or disappeared.
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Advocate Serunye sought the section 27 referral document from August to 31 October 2025, including raising the issue on 31 October with Mr Sesoko, but did not receive it from anyone including prosecutors or Ms Hlatshwayo.

So from August, I was looking for that document, but no one could give it to me ... I spoke to the prosecutors. I was getting... Hlatshwayo did not know about it at all, she said she has not seen it.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: August to 31 October 2025
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Advocate Ramsamy saw the section 27 referral document in the earlier part of the case but could not provide a copy as it was returned to the Investigating Directorate (ID) and appears to have been lost or is untraceable.

Advocate Ramsamy said she saw it, I think in the earlier part of the case when they were starting the investigations. But it appears either it was lost or disappeared ... She said she gave it back to the ID. But it appears the ID was also looking for it from her.
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Advocate Serunye started asking for the section 27 referral document immediately after being brought on board on 8 August 2025 and was still seeking it on 31 October 2025.

From the moment I was brought in on 8 August, I started asking for these documents and the docket, and by 31 October, I am still looking for that section 27.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 8 August to 31 October 2025
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In or about September 2025, due to construction and flooding in court buildings, a postponement hearing was held in Magistrate's chambers and accused number 4, Mr Lekalakala, was brought closer to the table during the proceedings in Mr Mahlangu's office.

ADV SERUNYE
A D V S E R U N Y EDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: September 2025
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Advocate Serunye recognized accused number 4 as a person from the same township with whom he had played soccer, leading to his recusal from the matter due to personal association.

I recognised accused number 4 as a person known to me. We come from the same township and had played soccer together, a fact I had not previously appreciated. I consider that this personal association precluded my continued involvement in the matter, and I submitted a memorandum to the Investigating Director requesting to be recused from the matter.
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-09-16
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Advocate Serunye submitted a recusal memo dated 16 September 2025 to the Investigating Director and Mr Sesoko due to personal association with accused number 4, Josias Lekalakala.

wrote the memo then on the 16th of September. I then emailed it to, as per page 1 of the batch, you will see I then emailed it to the admin personnel, Senyane Manshidi, with the subject: 'Recusal from the matter of state General Khumalo and others'. The memo is dated 16 September 2025 ... The memo is directed to Advocate Johnson, Investigating Director and to Mr Sesoko, Head of Operations and Investigations from Advocate P Serunye, Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions ...
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-09-16
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Advocate Serunye formally recused himself from prosecution of any case involving Josias Lekalakala and his family or associates due to personal familiarity and to avoid perceptions of bias.

I have formally decided to inform IDAC management and recuse myself from handling any case in which Mr Josias Lekalakala and his family members (and associates) are accused persons ... To avoid any negative perceptions and in the interest of justice, I am formally recusing myself from this matter ...
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-09-29
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Advocate Serunye was requested by the Investigating Director to complete a section 63 bail application before formally withdrawing from the case involving Josias Lekalakala.

the Investigating Director informed me that she had considered my request and granted it, but asked that I first complete the section 63 bail application before withdrawing from the matter ...
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-10-14
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Advocate Serunye was replaced as Deputy Director by Advocate Santos Manilall after his recusal was accepted in the case involving Josias Lekalakala.

Advocate Manilall, his name is Santos, Santos Manilall replaced me. It is him and a number of prosecutors, I think two or three other prosecutors ...
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The team led by Advocate Manilall took over certain cases, with Advocates Ramsamy and Hlatshwayo no longer being part of the prosecution team.

The team of Advocate Manilall took over the two cases and Advocate Ramsamy ceased to be the prosecutor in the Lushaba case, so did Advocate Hlatshwayo.
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Advocate Santos Manilall was the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions (DDPP) and project owner of certain cases, taking over from Advocates Ramsamy and Hlatshwayo who ceased to be prosecutors in those cases.

they were later then involved with Advocate Santos Manilall being the DDPP and project owner of this case. When I ceased to be the prosecutor in the case, I think so was Advocate Ramsamy and Advocate Hlatshwayo. So the team led by Advocate Manilall took over the two cases
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Advocate Manilall was initially a Senior State Advocate, reporting to DDPP Advocate Witbooi, and was later promoted to DDPP.

At the time when the streams were set up, Advocate Manilall was still a Senior State Advocate, he was not yet a DDPP and he was reporting to one of the DDPPS, Advocate Witbooi, and he only later became a DDPP. I think he went for interviews at some point for the position and was then appointed formally as a DDPP
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When Advocate Manilall was appointed and promoted to DDPP, the prosecution team grew from four to five members.

So at some point we were five with the appointment of Advocate Manilall as a DDPP. We then became five.
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The Magistrate recused himself from a bail-related matter because he had been subpoenaed by the Commission, which was found to be legally unsound upon review and the recusal decision was challenged.

On or about 14 October 2025 ... the Magistrate recused himself on the basis that he had been subpoenaed by the Commission ... I was of the view that the reason given was not legally sound, and after consulting the team and Investigating Director, I ... launched an application to review the recusal ... the reasons that he was giving were not in line with the established principle of recusal
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-10-14
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The Magistrate recused himself without giving the parties an opportunity to address him, contrary to established principles, leading to a review application.

He did not give us an opportunity to address him on what he was anticipating to do ... the reasons that he was giving were falling short of the established principle ... that is why we took them upon review
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The Magistrate has the power under section 60(12) of the Criminal Procedure Act to impose bail conditions in the interest of justice, even if neither party addresses him on the conditions.

Our understanding was that he has the powers in terms of section 60, subsection 12 ... to impose any conditions which, in his opinion, were in the interest of justice ...
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The Magistrate did not give reasons for imposing bail conditions and did not engage the accused or defence before deciding, leading to those conditions being set aside on appeal.

The Magistrate did not give reasons for imposing this condition ... he was not engaged to address the Court on that ... that led to the conditions being set aside
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The accused abandoned the section 63 application after the Magistrate recused himself, leading to a delay causing the accused to bring a section 65 bail appeal, which was opposed by prosecutors and served before the High Court.

The accused thereafter abandoned the section 63 application. That is now after the Magistrate had recused himself ... the accused then ... brought a section 65 bail appeal
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Permission was obtained from the Investigating Director (ID) to oppose the Section 65 application and all affidavits including that of Mr Brian Padayachee were sent to the ID.

and then she gave us permission to go ahead with the opposition on thesection 65 ... all the affidavits of the accused were sent to the ID ... ourresponding affidavit of Mr Brian Padayachee was sent to the ID
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Further affidavits from two other officials were prepared and filed in support of the opposition, keeping the ID updated at all times.

we got further information which then allowed us to prepare additional affidavits of two other officials, which affidavits we then also handed in in support of our opposition. So she was kept abreast at all times of what was happening.
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General Masemola provided an affidavit supporting the application indicating relocation of offices, which was also sent to the ID.

Page 92 of 276 by General Masemolain support of the application, indicating that he had lifted their relocation to other offices and that affidavit as well was given to the ID
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The Investigating Director advised that responses to affidavits be served by way of a Section 28 notice, which was done.

She sends me an email to say serve the 28, which is what we did
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The bail condition related to Crime Intelligence entry was imposed without reason and was set aside as irregular on appeal.

While I contended that the Magistrate was in law entitled to impose the condition, I was constrained to concede that he had failed to give any reasons for imposing the Crime Intelligence entry condition. And it was on that basis, that is the failure to reasons, that the condition was set aside as irregular
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Concerns were raised about the Mokwele matter involving lack of evidence and unsustainable corruption charges.

My concerns regarding the Mokwele matter ... I was not satisfied that the corruption charge was sustainable on the available evidence and current formulation of the charge sheet and I said so in writing at the time
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There was difficulty for junior colleagues to raise issues directly with Advocate Johnson due to power dynamics and seniority, leading them to raise complaints with ADV SERUNYE.

The two colleagues are juniors and it is not easy for them to go straight to the ID to raise issues ... Not that it was easy for me as well to approach Advocate Johnson ... I respect her a lot ... management style as well ... she could be unpredictable at times ...
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ADV SERUNYE raised multiple emails expressing concerns about the rushed investigation and questioning arrests and corruption charges in the Mokwele matter.

I raised all my queries in an email ... there is a problem with this case. The way it was investigated, it was rushed. If anything, there might be a case of fraud there, but the way the cases were done were just not on with me
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ADV SERUNYE tried to mediate between Investigators especially Brian Padayachee and Advocate Ramsamy who were not on speaking terms.

The relationship was not that good ... especially Brian Padayachee and Advocate Ramsamy. They were not in speaking terms when I came into the team. So I tried to put them together. In some of my emails, I am saying to them ... we are playing for the same team
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Advocate Johnson reprimanded ADV SERUNYE for raising the issue of section 27 referral in presence of junior colleagues and told them to stop questioning investigators.

She was angry with me for raising the issue of section 27 ... She told me straight in front of the two juniors, why are we making an issue about this? Go and work ... Why do you keep on questioning a second guessing your investigators?
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Despite resigning last week, Advocate Johnson's good work at IDAC allowed the organisation to continue functioning well without a permanent head.

She resigned last week ... the organisation can continue to run itself with the help of, obviously, the CEO Mr Sesoko, and the three deputies that are there ... all because of the good work that she has put in
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Advocate Johnson was described both as a very good manager and as someone who did not take kindly to questioning and could be unpredictable.

She is a very good manager ... But on the other, if you were raising concerns and questioning her decisions, she did not take kindly to that ... She could be unpredictable at times
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Adv Serunye sent a 'Saturday homework' email to team members including Advocates Hlatshwayo, Ramsamy, Mr Brian Padayachee, Chief Investigator Daylan Perumal, Investigator Charles Eales, Investigator Patrick Mlambo, and project manager Mr Sipho Tlale to keep the team informed and attached queries for trial preparation.

I sent it at 2.51 on the Saturday to the team members, Advocate Hlatshwayo, Advocate Ramsamy, Mr Brian Padayachee, Chief Investigator Daylan Perumal, Investigator Charles Eales, Investigator Patrick Mlambo. And I also copied the Project Manager, Mr Sipho Tlale... I sent them this email, and the email had an attachment containing queries
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2026-08-04
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Mr Sipho Tlale is one of four project managers involved from the beginning, performing administrative functions such as preparing monthly reports, linking the team with HR for resources, preparing documents like memos and applications, but he does not make prosecutorial decisions.

Mr Tlale is one of the four project managers that we have. They are involved right from the beginning of the case. They prepare our monthly reports... They are also a link between us and HR... Also prepares some documents... Project managers do not make those decisions
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The decision on investigations and prosecutorial matters lies solely with the DDPP after consulting the team; project managers do not make such decisions.

That decision lies solely with the DDPP on what type of investigations... Project managers do not make those decisions.
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Adv Serunye copied project manager Mr Sipho Tlale in emails to keep him informed about the team's work and outstanding investigations, attaching a document with queries related to trial preparation and corruption allegations.

I am copying him because he must know what we are busy with... The project manager must know... I sent them this email, and the email had an attachment containing queries...
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95% conf.

Adv Serunye's attachment asked team members questions about the corruption charge in the docket, including who corrupted whom, evidence supporting corruption allegations, and compliance with the Prevention and Combating of Corrupt Activities Act (PRECCA).

I have just finished reading the first docket... I want to know the following... Why were the accused charged with corruption? Who corrupted who? Do we have evidence... to prove allegations of corruption?
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corruption
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Adv Serunye questioned why six SAPS Generals risked their jobs to appoint a 29-year-old inexperienced civilian, Mokwele, as Brigadier in Crime Intelligence, implying potential quid pro quo corruption for a gratification.

Why did these Generals in the SAPS go out of their way, risk their jobs... to appoint a 29-year-old inexperienced civilian to the rank of Brigadier in Crime Intelligence? Who is this young lady (Mokwele) for whom six Generals in the SAPS are risking losing their jobs? What did they stand to gain... by giving her gratification, which is the position or the job? What did they stand to gain?
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Adv Serunye alleged that Mokwele's appointment was suspicious and possibly fraudulent due to her inexperience and misrepresentations in her CV, suggesting a quid pro quo arrangement with the Generals.

The appointment of this young lady to such a position does not make sense and is suspicious, but suspicion alone is not enough... the appointment was fraudulent because she was inexperienced (a requirement for the position), ... She also made representations in her CV (fraud) ... The quid pro quo ... We must look for it.
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Adv Serunye noted that Mokwele's MBA course completion was unclear in her application and only confirmed later during the investigation; the project management certificate validity should also be followed up.

She also claims to have been top of her class for MBA. She does not say where she was registered for the MBA and whether she eventually completed it... With the investigation, it became clear that she had finished the MBA ... The investigators should follow up the validity of the project management certificate at Stellenbosch University.
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The applicant stated in her application that she was still busy completing her MBA and would only complete it in the future.

she did say that she is still busy with the MBA and she will only complete it
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At the time of submission of the application, the applicant did not have the MBA qualification and said so in her CV.

at the time of submission , she did not have it and she said so in her CV
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The applicant listed only three qualifications as relevant to the job application, specifying that she was relying only on those for the application to SAPS.

in her job application on page 263 , the only three qualifications she lists as being relevant to her application . ... for the purposes of my application , you need only look at these set two
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The project management certificate and MBA were clarified and an affidavit was obtained from Stellenbosch University confirming the MBA was to be finalized later.

The fact that she has a project management certificate was clarified and an affidavit was obtained from Stellenbosch University
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The educational qualifications were considered in scoring in the interview, and it was necessary to certify them.

when the panel members are scoring , they consider the educational qualifications of applicants ... we needed to certify ... in case they were taken into consideration when the panel was marking
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If an applicant relies on qualifications that were not required, it can amount to fraud.

if the panel takes additional things into consideration , the applicant can be accused of fraud
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85% conf.

The applicant made misrepresentations in her CV that amount to fraud.

she also made misrepresentations in her CV
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95% conf.

The applicant claimed to be a middle manager at BMW since 2016-2017, but affidavits from BMW state she was never a manager or supervisor there, amounting to misrepresentation.

she says in her CV , I have been a middle manager in BMW since , I think she says 2016 or 17 ... affidavits from BMW ... both of them say Mokwele was never a manager in BMW
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The applicant's claim in her CV that she saved over one million in IT security project costs and reduced maintenance costs was not confirmed by BMW and viewed as misrepresentation.

on the last page of the CV, under accomplishments ... she saved over one million in IT security project costs ... BMW cannot confirm that ... then she is making a misrepresentation
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The CV qualifications were verified and found to be present; no issue with the qualifications themselves.

all the qualifications that she listed in her job application and CV have actually been verified ... the qualifications are there and there is no issue with them
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BMW provided witness statements that the applicant was never a manager or supervisor there, contradicting her CV's claim of managerial experience, raising concerns about her shortlisting for the position requiring three years managerial experience.

witnesses from BMW, Human Resource and immediate supervisor ... both would have said to the Court, she was never a manager ... how is she then shortlisted if one looks at the requirement of three-year managerial experience
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The memorandum contains basic questions that a prosecutor would ask before an arrest and charging, but no evidence of corruption was found in the docket's four volumes.

I am looking for the evidence of corruption in the four volumes in the docket. I cannot find any evidence of corruption.
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The charge sheet was defective in charging under section 4 of PRECCA, reversing the roles of who gives and who receives gratification, which should be the other way around according to the law.

the way they drafted their charge sheet, it was vice versa. They are saying the Generals gave to a civilian. The Generals being public officials...they should receive, not give, and this civilian should give, not receive.
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High profile cases involving senior government officials should be prepared over time with strong evidence before arrest and placement on court roll, contrary to this case which was prepared quickly and had insufficient evidence for arrest.

You do not just arrest people...these cases we prepare them over a period of time...I must prepare it in such a way that there is at least a prima facie case...This case started in December or November 2024 and by June 2025 they put it on the roll. For that six months, these issues ought to have been covered.
UNATTRIBUTEDDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: Nov/Dec 2024 to June 2025
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There was no engagement by the ID (Independent Directorate) or feedback that there was a prima facie case, only role recitations of the Act without addressing the substantive questions.

I was never engaged by the ID on this memo...what they did basically was just to recite what the Acts says and not to deal with the questions.
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The statement for the arrest warrant read more like arguments trying to justify the issuance than a proper affidavit with facts.

It looks more like heads of arguments than an affidavit.
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The arrest warrant was only issued after the Magistrate initially refused to grant it, requiring a second application.

The Magistrate refused to issue a warrant once, and the next time they succeeded after compiling another application.
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A D V S E R U N Y E asserts that if a prosecutorial team struggles to draft an affidavit for a warrant or a charge sheet, it indicates a problem with the evidence and that there was no evidence to support allegations of corruption.

If you have a case, you have a case. You are not going to struggle with drafting an affidavit to apply for a warrant. And as a prosecutory you are not going to struggle to draft a charge sheet. If you have a case, you have a case... Who corrupted who, how? There was no evidence to support all that.
A D V S E R U N Y EDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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A D V S E R U N Y E states that after recusal, questions he raised remained unanswered and that he would have withdrawn the case if the questions had not been answered.

I recused myself at least a month and a half after getting it, but if I had gone on and those questions were not answered, I would not, I would have withdrawn this case. I would not have prosecuted this case on the basis of the evidence available at the time, unless if all of these questions were answered.
A D V S E R U N Y EDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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A D V S E R U N Y E describes communication practice within the ID office, where emails are typically sent to the PA who then sends them to the Advocate. Urgent matters are directly communicated to the Advocate by sender.

When I send it to Ms Sekhukhune, I am not, I am sending it to her to forward it to the ID. That was the practice, or that is the practice in the office... if it is urgent, urgent, then you even call her, say, ID, I have sent you an email, please check.
A D V S E R U N Y EDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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A D V S E R U N Y E says prosecutors summarize evidence in a docket which is sent to the ID and the Head of Operations who decide if a warrant application should be made.

They make a presentation to the ID and with the CEO, Head of Operations, the so-called sitting in. So it is at that level where decisions are taken to apply for a warrant... But in the actual engagements with the ID, they must say to her, we are ready. These are the charges that we want to proceed on. Our application for a warrant is ready.
A D V S E R U N Y EDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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A D V S E R U N Y E confirms prosecutors advise on legal issues and review affidavits, and internally the team looks into the affidavit before it is presented to court.

The prosecutors are there to do exactly that, to advise on legal issues, to read these affidavits... Internally the team looks into the affidavit. Each member of that team has a copy of the docket. They read the docket, they discuss these things, and the prosecutors are there exactly for that purpose.
A D V S E R U N Y EDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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A D V S E R U N Y E explains that a warrant affidavit (J50) is drafted by the investigating officer but is first authorized internally by the internal prosecutors before being taken to court.

The investigating officer, Padayachee, would have drafted a warrant, a J 50 warrant. That warrant is first authorised by the internal prosecutor.
A D V S E R U N Y EDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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A D V B A L O Y I S C states that the internal prosecutor reviews the application and affidavits before they are taken to court and the magistrate approves the J50 warrant.

It is the internal prosecutors that look at this application and the affidavits before Mr Padayachee takes it to Court. Takes it to a Magistrate who approves the J 50.
A D V B A L O Y I S CDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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A D V B A L O Y I S C questions whether lawyers (prosecutors) had reviewed the case before the investigating officer, Colonel Padayachee, went to the magistrate the first time and were turned back.

So you say to us, Colonel Padayachee went to the Magistrate the first time and he was turned back, right? The then question is, well, does it mean the lawyers in there, the prosecutors, had never looked at this work before he went to the Magistrate?
A D V B A L O Y I S CDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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For a warrant to be authorised, an affidavit must be read and agreed to by the authorising authority, confirming there is a case and agreeing with the charges stated in the warrant.

One of them would have the authorised that warrant, and for one to authorise the warrant, you therefore have to read first this affidavit, and to say, yes, we have a case, I agree with this, and the warrant also states the charges, I agree with the charges. Then the prosecutor authorises that.
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The witness explained why verification and outstanding investigations should have been done before the arrest and not after.

The paragraph 7 in particular, you will see the witness dealt with why he was sending that, and even confirms that he wanted that this verification and outstanding investigations ought to have been done before the arrest and not after.
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Magistrates stand by to deal with warrant issues and will review affidavits, statements and charge sheets to determine if a prima facie case exists before issuing a warrant.

There is always a Magistrate who is on standby, who is dealing with these issues. The Magistrate will also do the same, go through the statement. If there is a charge sheet attached, go through the charge sheet, and if he is convinced that there is a prima facie case, then issue a warrant.
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Charge of corruption did not make sense as contending a future corrupt act is pure speculation.

At paragraph 48, he explains why the charges of corruption did not make sense, in particular that to contend that a future corrupt act would be purely speculation, as observed by the Commission would be fortune-telling.
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Responses by the investigation team did not appear in the court docket and were not evidently relevant to the charges.

The responses referred to Ms Mokwele's father said to the suspended Brigadier in the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation, who had attempted to corrupt investigators, and to a theory concerning the capture of a sensitive intelligence resource. I could find no evidential foundation for these assertions in the docket, and their irrelevance to the charges was not apparent.
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No evidential foundation was found for assertions about Ms Mokwele's father being a suspended Brigadier or attempts to corrupt investigators in the docket.

...this is not supported by any evidence and it does not really take the case any further.
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95% conf.

The accused (Accused 1) desired to ensure full control over the TSS (Tactical Support Section), dismissing the need for a Brigadier as Major General to chair the panel, showing a lack of confidence in experienced Colonels in Crime Intelligence.

Accused 1, who did not need to chair posts for a Brigadier as a Major General, could have chaired the panel. Accused 1 had a desire to ensure full control over TSS, need to know of its operations. He clearly did not have any confidence in any of the vastly skilled and experienced Colonels of the Crime Intelligence, capture of the section TSS.
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Some questions posed to the investigation team were not answered, and some subpoenas still needed to be issued.

Some of the questions were not answered. And the remaining that were answered, they indicated that some of those subpoenas would still need to be issued.
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The investigation team acted in an incomplete, biased, dishonest manner designed to achieve an unjustified result.

They acted in an incomplete, biased, dishonest manner designed to achieve an unjustified result.
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General Khan placed an advertisement for a position which was withdrawn and re-advertised externally to allow civilians to apply, but this does not constitute evidence of corruption in the docket.

He says there that the initial advertisement, which was placed by General Khan, had been withdrawn and the post was then re-advertised externally to allow civilians to apply, but that still does not answer my question on what is the evidence in the docket ... of corruption against any of the accused? ... The withdrawal of that advert, I do not know what relevance the withdrawal has to the advert being done the second time around and being advertised internally and externally to allow civilians to apply, because there is nothing wrong in doing that.
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85% conf.

Details and names referenced in responses seemed like a personal theory or speculation not supported by the docket and do not help to prove the case.

Its like a person having their own theory to say this is how, this is why they did it. They did it for this particular purpose, or maybe they had information, other information which is not in the docket and which they are not telling me. But for that I cannot understand, with this one paragraph, what message they are trying to portray to me. It appears as they were investigating this case, there is this other information in the background which is not given to me or to the prosecutors, or it does not form part of the docket, and that is not going to help to prove our case, honestly.
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90% conf.

Investigators questioned the validity of Ms Mokwele's CV and were urged by Mr Perumal to urgently authorise and conclude section 28 by 26 December.

The answer to your question 6, where you say she also made misrepresentations in her CV, fraud in brackets, the investigators should follow up upon the validity. And then the answer from Mr Perumal is section 28 to be authorised urgently and be concluded on 26 December.
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90% conf.

The matter was rushed to court without being ready to be enrolled, and there was no known urgency for this hasty action.

my impression after reading all these documents was that the matter was rushed to court , and it was done so when it was not ready to be enrolled . I do not know why it had to be done the way it was done .
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95% conf.

There was an unusual quickness in the case where authorization was in December 2024 and arrest in June (six to seven months), which is atypical and indicates the case was rushed when investigations were incomplete.

authorisation was done in December of 2024 and the arrest is done in June , says six to seven months . This is one of I have never seen a case being done so quick , wherein December authorisation and in June ... This was done so hastily. If investigations were completed and it was ready, I would have said , well , the investigators did a very good job in this , but they rushed it to court, and clearly, it was not ready.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: December 2024 to June 2025
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It is impossible to investigate a complex matter thoroughly within six months, indicating the urgency was not justified.

In six months , it is impossible .
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The investigation in terms of section 28(1) was authorised around 28th or 30th May 2025, and arrests followed in June 2025, which suggests the investigation was very advanced and ready for court at the time of authorisation.

the investigation in terms of 28 ( 1 ) was authorised , I think , the 28th or the 30th of May in 2025 , and the arrests were in June already...That can only mean one thing, that as of May, when the 28 was authorised, the investigations were so advanced to a point that one could say it is actually ready for court ... That is why when they authorised the investigation in May, then the next month the arrest follows.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: May-June 2025
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95% conf.

Verification of Ms Mokwele's project management certificate and MBA was only obtained after the arrest, after repeated prompting, and no HR expert was engaged to assess all applications for correctness before appointments.

Her project management certificate and her MBA were not verified at the time. Verification was only obtained belatedly after the arrest and after my repeated prompting. In addition, no HR expert had been engaged to assess the full body of some 6 applications so as to determine whether the disqualification of other candidates and Ms Mokwele's progression to the shortlist and appointment had been proper. Determination of that nature could not be made without such expertise.
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95% conf.

Ms Mokwele's matric, diploma, and engineering degree were confirmed by SAQA, while project management and MBA certificates were verified only after initial questioning.

The affidavit we got from SAQA confirmed the matric and the diploma and the engineering degree. Yes. And these two that I had questioned about, the certificates that I questioned about, the project management and the MBA were verified.
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90% conf.

Charges related to HR aspects would not be prepared by an investigator without consultation of an HR expert, as the investigator is not qualified to assert favouritism or scoring reasons without expert input.

what I am going to allege in that charge sheet would be information that is not verified...So at least if I have an affidavit and a report of an expert and I consult with them, and I am satisfied that the expert gives me more information, then I can allege those issues on the charge sheet . But before that , I cannot. Otherwise , I am just speculating .
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90% conf.

Efforts to appoint or engage an HR expert to assess the applications were not followed up or made.

The appointment, or at least efforts to appoint an HR were not followed up, were not made.
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80% conf.

The prosecuting authority must rely on expert post-mortem reports to confirm firearm injuries to avoid mistakes in attributing cause of death.

Experts have to check, is this wound consistent with an injury that can be caused by a bullet, and then make their report and say this injury is consistent with a bullet wound, and only then can I, as a prosecutor, then certainly say this body, the person was killed with a firearm.
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90% conf.

Advocate Serunye expresses frustration that responses to questions about the allegation of gratification involving Ms Mokwele are evasive and not supported by evidence.

Instead of providing me with answers, I am provided with a citation of PRECCA. I know what section 1, 2, 3, and 24 of PRECCA say. I do not want to sound critical, but reference to section 24 is misguided and misunderstood. ... Why are we saying it is a gratification? They do not provide me with the evidence.
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corruption
95% conf.

The corruption charge against the Generals and Ms Mokwele is defective and liable to be challenged as it does not comply with PRECCA and the Criminal Procedure Act.

I concluded that the corruption charge, as it stood, was defective and did not comply with the definitional elements of PRECCA and was liable to be challenged in terms of section 85 of the Criminal Procedure Act.
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judicial process
90% conf.

The arrest related to the case was premature and the preliminary investigation was not properly conducted, resulting in unanswered questions and uncertainty about the case's basis within IDAC's mandate.

It demonstrated that the arrest had been premature... the preliminary investigation had not been properly conducted... I also raised the question as to the basis upon which the matter fell within IDAC's mandate.
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90% conf.

ADV Serunye questioned whether, discounting corruption, the remaining fraud allegations related to Ms Mokwele fall within IDAC's mandate, concluding it does not.

If you remove corruption and you leave whatever that remains, would that fall within the mandate of IDAC? Definitely not, Commissioner Khumalo, because if I discount the corruption, then let us say what I am left with is fraud, and that would be the fraud against the civilian. Because in that case, then, the Generals would have been my witnesses... and it is clearly a Lower Court matter.
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95% conf.

ADV Serunye asserts that if the case is only about fraud, it does not belong in IDAC's jurisdiction and was questioned by the Magistrate on this point during the first appearance.

If I ended up only with fraud, then clearly it does not belong in the IDAC space. It was not, even the Magistrate questioned it on the first appearance.
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criminality
90% conf.

ADV Serunye contends that the alleged fraud involved high-ranking officials in the Intelligence Unit who could have detected it, and if they ignored it, that would constitute collusion.

If these high-ranking officials in the Intelligence Unit, could they not pick up if there was fraud?... And if I come to the conclusion that they closed their eyes to it, then that means they colluded with her.
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90% conf.

The role required a minimum period of three years appropriate managerial experience in the field of the post, not just any managerial experience.

The first bullet that you see on page 79 says: “Must have a minimum period of three years appropriate managerial experience . . . ” And this is the important part: “ … in the field of the post.”
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95% conf.

Appropriate management experience is defined as experience at a level higher than supervisor, but not necessarily at the level of the current job.

the definition of appropriate management, managerial experience , it comes from Clause of the National Instruction 11 of 2017, and it defines that as experience at a level higher than the supervisor. That is all it says. It does not say you must have been a manager at your job.
ADV KHUMALO SCDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2017
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An advocate who has been practicing at the bar for 20 years has educational qualifications (LLB) sufficient for the post, even if not managerial at the bar.

for example, and it was an Advocate who had been practicing for 20 years at the bar, the education qualification would be the LLB.
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90% conf.

The question asked to BMW regarding Ms Mokwele's managerial status was the wrong question because the role does not require being a manager at BMW, but having appropriate managerial experience above supervisor level.

what IDAC people did was they went and obtained a 4 July 2025 affidavit from Mr Simon at BMW. But the question they asked is the wrong question because their question was, is Ms Mokwele a manager at BMW? But that is not what the role requires.
ADV KHUMALO SCDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-07-04
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judicial process
95% conf.

The arrest of a person (implied Ms Mokwele) for fraud due to not having seven years senior management experience is problematic and was rushed before charges were even framed.

And to then go to court and say she must be arrested for fraud because she does not have seven years senior management experience. Before we even get to the charge sheet, just asking the Court to authorise arrest on those facts, that is problematic.
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90% conf.

Adv Serunye questioned whether the matter fell within IDAC's mandate and considered that matters involving serious allegations against senior officers in the Intelligence environment could appropriately be handled within IDAC's scope if there was evidence of corruption.

I questioned whether this fell within the IDAC mandate ... if they followed the queries of ... they did an investigation and they found evidence of corruption, then that is where it comes up to say ... it then falls within the mandate of the IDAC
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90% conf.

There was no evidence to break up the case to say it belonged within IDAC; the allegations were serious but not backed by evidence.

the problem is there was no evidence to break it up to say this case belongs here ... once you start reading the docket, you do not find evidence to back those allegations
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90% conf.

If there was evidence of prosecuting somebody with anything, the matter should be referred to the Lower Courts; absence of evidence hinders prosecution.

if there is evidence of prosecuting somebody ... then let us refer this matter to the Lower Court ... but there was for me, there was no evidence backing up those allegations
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90% conf.

Adv Serunye said that if a case involves gratification against senior officials and meets criteria of corruption involving high-level persons, it would fall within IDAC's mandate.

it would have been meeting this requirement of corruption involving high-level persons to appoint that it then falls within the mandate of the IDAC
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85% conf.

No one raised concerns about the strength, merits or IDAC mandate of a case involving Generals and Brigadiers being arrested and postponed in court, according to Ms Johnson; Adv Serunye disputed this saying he raised concerns and referred to multiple emails.

Ms Johnson ... firmly said no, no one ever did, none of the lawyers ... with respect to Advocate Johnson, I did. I raised ... there is two, maybe even three others that I referred to her ... I did
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90% conf.

Adv Serunye stated Ms Johnson received his emails and memos, including an instance where she responded regarding serving a 28 or her office writing to the National Commissioner.

She received them ... she responds to me when I am asking her ... should we serve a 28 or is this office ... going to write a letter to the National Commissioner?
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procurement
90% conf.

A young woman has been parachuted to the rank of Brigadier, with that rank given upon appointment to Section Head Technical Support Services role; rank is not based on age, race, or gender.

a young woman has been parachuted to the rank of Brigadier... if you meet the minimum requirements ... you go through interviews and you are vetted ... you will be given that rank
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70% conf.

The advert for the Section Head Technical Support Services position did not refer to a specific race, gender, or age, and was possibly trying to promote females.

The advert was not referring to a specific race or gender or age ... I think, if anything, it was trying to promote
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90% conf.

National instructions provide for rank of Brigadier to be given on appointment if requirements are met, regardless of gender or age; promoting females is encouraged in these instructions.

It is in the national instructions ... encouraging that you promote females ... if you meet the requirements and you are appointed to the role ... you will be given the rank of Brigadier
ADV KHUMALO SC and ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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80% conf.

There are cases where less experienced or junior persons perform better on the day than senior experienced Advocates in interviews.

there are 30-year-olds who sometimes perform better than me
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90% conf.

Performance in interviews depends on how much a person prepares and the nature of the interview; a person can perform better or freeze on the day.

It depends on the nature of interviews. It is how prepared a person is for the interview. How much did they prepare, and how you perform. A person can freeze on the day, and another one performs better.
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judicial process
90% conf.

Emails were sent to the whole team on August 17th regarding issues to be followed up for court preparation, and responses came from Brian Padayachee and Pat Mlambo promising investigations.

I think I did get responses from either Mr Brian Padayachee or one, I remember Mr Pat Mlambo who said thanks for the advice, we will do as you... promising that investigations are going to be done as I was raising issues.
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95% conf.

ADV SERUNYE submitted a recusal on September 16th and was no longer part of the case from that date onwards but raised questions about the docket and trial despite not being involved.

From the 16th of September, I am no longer part of the case. I submitted a memo on 16th of September to recuse myself... I raised questions again on the second trial note and maybe on the third. I would not have proceeded with the trial ... when there is so much still outstanding.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-09-16
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judicial process
90% conf.

ADV SERUNYE asserts that proceeding with the trial would lead to an acquittal due to gaps in the case and that the Defence intended to challenge the chargesheet and possibly have it quashed.

Otherwise, it is going to be an acquittal... The Defence was going to query the chargesheet right from the onset... as it was.
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90% conf.

On August 17th, ADV SERUNYE's position was that the alleged conduct did not meet the definitional elements of an offence, thus no corruption was committed, but further investigation might uncover evidence of corruption by the Generals through bank statements, cellphone records, and computer data.

Once the alleged conduct committed does not meet the definitional elements of the offence ... that means no crime (corruption has been committed)... if we investigate further and dig more, we are going to find the evidence of corruption of the Generals by Mokwele and not vice versa... in the bank statement, cellphone records, and computer data of the Generals.
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judicial process
90% conf.

There is an apparent contradiction in ADV SERUNYE's emails where she asserts there is no case but also suggests that further investigation could find evidence of corruption, which raises concern of a fishing expedition and abuse of prosecutorial powers.

You say we do not have a case and then you say, but I am sure if we search, we will find something... That is not like a typical fishing process... It is an abuse of your investigative/prosecutorial powers.
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95% conf.

The speaker entered the matter after arrests had been made and questions why the suspects were arrested before proper investigations were completed.

Commissioner, I came into the matter after arrests have been made ... why are these people arrested? ... Investigate, dig some ways, investigate ... We should investigate, finish our investigations. Once we satisfy that we have a good case, this is a prima facie case, then we go to court.
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90% conf.

The speaker asserts that there was no evidence of corruption, only the need to investigate claims to see if a quid pro quo exists.

Digging for information is investigating. And if you find the quid pro quo, then that is your solution ... otherwise, there is no evidence of corruption here.
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95% conf.

The speaker confirms that as Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions (DDPP), they had the power to stop or pause the prosecution process but chose to come in after processes had advanced.

Yes, Commissioner, and that is why I was asking ... if I was still a prosecutor up to a point where the case ... I would not have prosecuted this case. At some stage, I was going to call it off.
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95% conf.

There was a meeting among prosecutors from different teams including Adv Serunye and Adv Manilall, after which it was decided the case could not be saved and should be provisionally withdrawn according to NDPP's decision.

We got together, me and Manilall and Hlatshwayo and the two other prosecutors ... our decision was that ... there is no way that this case can be saved ... then asked for a meeting with one of the Deputy Directors ... then I heard that the NDPP has decided that the case must be provisionally withdrawn.
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corruption
95% conf.

There was a separate review conducted by Independent Directorate Against Corruption (IDAC) distinct from the review by Advocate Mothibi's team, involving two teams who met and agreed the case was a dead horse.

There was, by the old and the new team in IDAC ... My team and the team of Manilall ... agreed that it appears we are flogging a dead horse.
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95% conf.

The DPP did not participate in discussions about winding down the case because the matter was already in the Office of the National Director of Public Prosecutions (NDPP).

The DPP did not participate in that discussion because ... the matter was now already in the Office of the NDPP.
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95% conf.

After the Independent Directorate made the decision to prosecute or prefer charges, they sent the charge sheet to the DPP, who responded by concurring with it, but did not get involved in the decision to remove the matter from court thereafter.

Once the ID has made the decision to prosecute or to prefer the charges, that charge sheet was sent to the DPP, and the DPP wrote back and said yes, I concur ... We did not involve the DPP because the matter was already in the office of the NDPP ...
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The DPP's role ended after consultation with the Independent Directorate (ID) about prosecution space, after which the DPP agreed to proceed but did not participate in the decision to provisionally withdraw the case.

The DPP's role would have ended when they were doing consultation with the ID ... and the DPP would have agreed ... but the role of the DPP ended there.
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90% conf.

Discussions were held with Advocate Bell representing the office of the NDPP regarding the proposal to provisionally withdraw the case.

We were then allocated Advocate Bell to meet with us ... And the discussions took place between us and Advocate Bell, who was representing the Office of the NDPP.
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90% conf.

Ideally, the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) should have been informed about the decision to prosecute in the matter in May 2025 and the subsequent decision taken.

the D P P in 2025, May or June, we consulted you on this matter and we informed you we are prosecuting, you agreed with us, and we have since taken another decision
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-05 to 2025-06
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If the Investigation Director was still in office, she would have to approve prosecutorial decisions; no prosecutor can withdraw a case or take decisions independently.

If she was still there, she would have to approve ... No prosecutor can withdraw the case in the ID on my own ... the matter must be authorised
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corruption
90% conf.

The chargesheet included a repeated corruption count against Ms Mokwele regarding the same gratification.

Second, a further corruption count appeared to be a repetition of the count against accused number 7 being directed against her in respect of the same gratification
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corruption
90% conf.

The original chargesheet against Ms Mokwele was flawed because the corruption counts inverted the roles of giver and receiver, alleging she accepted a gratification in the form of an appointment without identifying any unlawful act she was to pay for in return.

First, the corruption counts inverted the giver and the receiver ... did not identify any unlawful act which Ms Mokwele was to pay for in return
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corruption
95% conf.

The charge that the Generals colluded to appoint Ms Mokwele, if true, would amount at most to conspiracy rather than fraud, and the same persons cannot be both victims and parties to the fraud.

If, as the chargesheet alleged, the Generals colluded to appoint her, they were not deceived by her ... conduct would not be fraud ... but at most a conspiracy
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corruption
95% conf.

The fraud counts on the chargesheet contain contradictions, including allegations that Ms Mokwele misrepresented information in her curriculum vitae and SAPS application form, while the General was alleged both to be a victim and a perpetrator of the fraud.

Thirdly, the fraud counts gave rise to a contradiction ... alleged that Ms Mokwele had misrepresented in her curriculum vitae ... and SAPS application form ... General ... victim ... and perpetrators ... rigged the process in her favour
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95% conf.

Prosecutors have the right to ask for amendments to the chargesheet before plea and trial commence, but after evidence has been led and the accused has pleaded, amendments are limited.

Those who came after me ... have a right to ask for an amendment of the chargesheet ... can always change it ... but if the trial has already started, the accused pleaded and evidence led, then you cannot
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90% conf.

The amended chargesheet was disclosed to the Defence around September and was the version that would have gone to trial if not amended again.

So around September, they are now asking for a final chargesheet ... it was disclosed to the Defence ... this would have gone to trial if it had not been amended
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: 2025-09
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95% conf.

ADV Serunye drafted the amended chargesheet and disclosed it to the Defence, and sent the related email to one of the attorneys representing accused number 1 (Mr Lushaba) sharing the chargesheet with other attorneys.

This charge sheet... is the chargesheet that I drafted ... disclosed to the Defence ... I think I am the one who sent the email to one of the attorneys who represents accused number 1 ... representing Mr Lushaba ... and thereafter sent it to the other attorneys
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judicial process
75% conf.

There was a question why a seemingly obviously wrong charge was made by the investigating team, which does not make sense to the questioner and appears to involve a 'third hand' or 'hidden hand'.

this which looks so obviously wrong, why was it happening? Commissioner Khumalo went so far as to say there is a third hand or a hidden hand
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80% conf.

The charges formulated allege that accused 7 granted gratification to other officers, which the questioner argues is an inversion of the typical charge formulation where accused 7 would receive gratification, not give it.

you have gone ahead to formulate a charge that says they gave her gratification
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85% conf.

The alternative count of fraud alleges collusion and conspiracy among seven accused, involving a late application submission by accused 7 Mokwele, which was accepted despite being received after the closing date.

if one looks at the misrepresentations, the first one on page 70, because I said conspiracy, section 21, they conspired, all seven of them, alternatively fraud... the application of accused number, Mokwele, was submitted late
UNATTRIBUTED [likely ADV BALOYI SC]Day 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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corruption
90% conf.

There was collusion between accused 7 and panel members, including General Ncube who helped with security vetting, involving use of the Inkwazi system improperly to register accused 7 as she did not have a PERSAL number and was not a police officer.

accused 7 meets with one of the panel members and, I think it is General Ncube,... accused 7 meets with accused 6, Ncube, who helps her to apply for security vetting... they then use the Inkwazi system... she could not be loaded onto the prescribed SAPS system because at the time she did not have a PERSAL number... accused 7 and Ncube then decide they register her on a thing... a day before the interviews, there is this collusion
UNATTRIBUTED [likely ADV BALOYI SC]Day 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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ADV Serunye says he is not forcing a PRECCA charge, but supports speaking his mind and did not try to please anyone.

I was not forcing it, Commissioner. I was not trying to please them. I speak my mind.
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85% conf.

The application of Mokwele was received a day late after the closing date but despite that, she was not disqualified by the panel, leading to allegations of favouritism or collusion.

if indeed Mokwele's application was received on the 26th, then she ought to have been disqualified, and she was not... if she is not disqualified, then she is being favoured by the panel
UNATTRIBUTED [likely ADV BALOYI SC]Day 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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corruption
90% conf.

A person was colluding with one of the panel members, Ncube, to manipulate application vetting processes by submitting a late application which should have led to disqualification.

She is colluding with one of the panel members, at least Ncube. If an application was received late by a day, it ought to have been disqualified. She is colluding with all of them. They conspired to commit corruption based on the evidence that was before me
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corruption
85% conf.

An outside applicant was not on PERSAL and thus could not be vetted using the system used for internal SAPS applicants, so alternative vetting procedures were manipulated.

because she does not have a PERSAL number. They then register her in a system called Inkwazi, which is meant for service providers... the use of the Inkwazi system, it is fraudulent in itself because it is meant for service providers.
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corruption
80% conf.

A panel member took an outsider applicant through the vetting process a day before interviews, misleading the system and facilitating a fraudulent application process.

Now she meets with one of the panel members the day before the interviews and taken through this, and she submits an application, and the application is processed.
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judicial process
85% conf.

Candidates were disadvantaged because they were required to make themselves available for vetting six months after appointment, not before, contrary to what was applied in practice and advertisement.

They were actually disadvantaging the candidates because the adverts said you must only do that six months after appointment. So, whoever said to them come and do it before the interview was not benefiting them. They were actually disadvantaging the candidates...
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judicial process
90% conf.

Gratification charges under PRECCA require that the gratification must be followed by some other act, which was missing in this case, thus making the charge unsustainable.

You said there is no PRECCA offence here because after gratification, or rather gratification must be given, and then you said in brackets or inverted commas, in order to. And you said because the in order to is missing, you cannot sustain a charge under PRECCA.
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judicial process
80% conf.

There is debate among colleagues about whether conspiracy under section 21 of PRECCA takes one back to the requirement that gratification must be followed by another act to constitute an offence.

there is that debate amongst colleagues that, when we are referring to 21, does it take us back... because 21 says any person who attempts, conspires with any other person...
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95% conf.

There is an ongoing debate about whether charges under PRECCA requiring conspiracy to commit an offence are properly framed; ADV Serunye admits to previously raising queries about this and realizing the case was rushed and not ready for court.

I wish I could turn back the hands of time. And I would not have gone to court on that day, on the 27th, when there was a bail application on the 27th of June because here I am now in the middle of something that I did not... I realised when I came in that this case was rushed to court. It was not ready. I raised those queries. And I would not have prosecuted a case like this if it was not ready. It is a pity I recused myself before I could make that decision.
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: June 27, 2026
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ADV Serunye emailed Advocate Johnson on 25 August, attaching a trial preparation document and expressing the view that the enrolment was rushed and that the case showed a prima facie case of fraud but not corruption based on available evidence.

I sent an email at 11:44 on the 25th of August to Advocate Johnson, copied PA Ms Sekhukhune, and Mr Matthew Sesoko, with subject status Khumalo and Others, and then I put in an attachment... There is an attachment to that email. Trial Preparation Document 3. I said to the ID that: “Khumalo and Others matter refs. Attached, please find a copy of my trial preparation note 3 addressed to the team. My view is that the enrolment was rushed. However, there is a prima facie case of fraud (not corruption) at least not on the available evidence.”
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: August 25, 2026
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ADV Serunye did not receive a response from Advocate Johnson or Mr Sesoko to the email containing the trial preparation document but is certain the email was received.

I did not get any response to this email... No, I had not... I sent it to her email, and this time copied her PA. I am sure she got it... She did not respond. I do not have proof of that, but I sent it to her.
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ADV Serunye stated after receiving input from colleagues and further reading on corruption, his initial views that there was no case of corruption still stand.

After receiving input from colleagues and doing further reading on the corruption subject, my initial views still stands... That there is no case of corruption.
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ADV Serunye requested that an HR expert be appointed to analyse the scoring of three candidates and provide a fairness report, as part of further investigations.

An HR expert must be appointed to analyse the scoring of the three candidates and provide a report on whether the scoring of the three candidates was fair and/or in accordance with the prescribed manners set out in paragraph 6 (evaluation process of the National Instruction 3 of 2005).
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Mr Dylan Perumal, Chief Investigator, showed an affidavit with a section 27 referral document to Advocate Serunye, holding it but not giving access to read it easily.

the Chief Investigator, Mr Dylan Perumal, informed me that he had the section 27 referral and showed me a document in his office. He showed me the document whilst holding it. It was as if he wanted me to see its existence but not its contents
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Advocate Serunye read the section 27 referral affidavit, which was similar to the complainant Fadiel Adams' statement and contained nothing of substance.

I read and I could see as I am reading through that this affidavit is similar to the other affidavit of Mr Adams because there was nothing that stood out for me in that affidavit
ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026Refers to: after 31 October 2025
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The Section 27 referral affidavit appeared to be inconsistently commissioned, with the place signed and commissioned not matching, raising concerns.

I observed what appeared to me to be an inconsistency in the commissioning of the document, in that the place at which it appeared to have been signed did not accord with the place at which it appears to have been commissioned
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Advocate Serunye raised concerns with Advocate Hlatshwayo about the section 27 referral because it seemed to be hidden away and not provided despite requests since August.

I raised my concern with Advocate Hlatshwayo immediately afterwards. I told her that she was going to have a problem with the section 27 referral because at the time I was under the impression that it was signed by the deponent at one place and commissioned by the Commissioner of Oath in another place
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Advocate Serunye did not insist on obtaining a copy of the section 27 referral affidavit for Advocate Hlatshwayo or prosecution because he thought the affidavit contained nothing substantial and had been instructed to back off.

I did not think of making a copy because when I read the statement, there was nothing substantial for me... We had a very good relationship with Mr Perumal... I was told to back off from demanding this section 27
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Advocate Serunye was instructed by IDAC to back off from demanding the section 27 referral and only do his job without further inquiries.

The ID says, I have seen it, are you not believing my investigators? So I was not going to ask for a copy of that because I got clear instructions to stay away from this, just do your job, and then leave it
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ADV Serunye saw the document referred to as 'the 27', was satisfied it existed, but did not demand a copy because he knew he did not have to deal with it as he was recused from the case by 16 September.

I have seen the 27. I am satisfied that it exists ... I did not even demand a copy because I knew I do not have to deal with this document, but at least I have seen it ... I have since been recused in 16 September.
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Advocate Khumalo accused Advocate Serunye of being scared of IDAC and thus not insisting that Advocate Hlatshwayo receive the section 27 referral document at discovery stage, which is required for the accused's rights.

So you were scared. You were scared of the ID. That is why you did not insist that it be made available to the prosecutor
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ADV Serunye was told when still part of the case that the document 'the 27' was an internal document and should not be disclosed to the Defence.

we were told now when I was still part of the case ... that the 27 should not be disclosed ... The ID said it is an internal document, it should not be disclosed to the Defence
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ADV Serunye saw an affidavit thought to be related to the case, which was signed in Cape Town but stamped with a Pretoria IDAC stamp, which he did not understand.

It was clear he had signed it in Cape Town and the Commissioner of Oath had signed, but there was an IDAC stamp next to it, which was a Pretoria stamp, which I could not understand.
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The document 'the 27' was withheld from the Defence on instructions that it was an internal document.

Page 218 of 276 we cannot give it to you, it is an internal document based on what we have been told.
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ADV Serunye admits that after reading what was shown to him he did not think it contained sensitive information and was surprised it had not been shown to him earlier; he implies he stopped asking about it after being told not to question it.

after reading what was shown to me, it was like I was reading one of the affidavits of Mr Adams which I saw in the docket ... it was like a two or three-page statement which really did not say much ... I was amazed why has it not been shown to me all along ... if they had given me this all along, I would have stopped asking for it.
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ADV Serunye says the affidavit shown to him is not the section 27 affidavit that started the whole thing and that he was misled by Mr Perumal who showed him that document as section 27 referral.

If Mr Perumal showed you this document and said to you it is a section 27 referral, he misled you ... this is a statement marked A1 by him.
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ADV Baloyi SC asserts that the document 'the 27' is a Mr Fadiel Adams document from outside the IDAC and is not an internal document as claimed by the ID.

But you knew she is wrong. It is not an internal document. It is a Mr Fadiel Adams document, so it comes from outside into the IDAC.
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Full disclosure to the accused is not given as part of process, which has consequences for the fairness of proceedings.

as a matter of process, it means there is no full disclosure to the accused
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ADV Serunye confirms he could not contradict his superior officers on disclosure instructions despite knowing they were wrong about the document's status.

I could not say to my boss you are wrong, I am going to disclose it anyway against your instruction.
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Repeated refusal to disclose internal document reflects either breaking the law or complicity by prosecutors who do not want to disclose it despite knowing it is incorrect to withhold it.

if she says, no, we are not disclosing that, it is an internal document, and everybody around her knows that what she is saying is not correct, but they comply, then it does not give faith that on any other matter, if she says that we are not disclosing, that her prosecutors will not say, well, if I must lose my job, I am going to lose my job, but my integrity and my responsibility to my profession and to the court is that I make disclosure
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There is a sense of discomfort created by the lack of disclosure which undermines the process.

a sense of discomfort that all of this creates
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Witness felt unable to disclose a document against the expressed instruction of a superior due to fear of consequences including up to 15 years imprisonment for disclosing an internal document.

I could not, I did not have the guts to say to my boss you are wrong, I am going to disclose this, whether you approve it or not. I know there is going to be consequences. There can be discipline, there can be charge, and so on. Especially that we have signed non-disclosure forms. So it was going to be, you disclose a document which we have told is an internal document, and therefore you are facing up to 15-years imprisonment for this
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The section 27 referral affidavit becomes the initial primary document forming the basis of the inquiry file and can be supplemented if needed.

the section 27, when it is sent say by complainant, that forms the basis, that is the first document that we receive that say I have seen or I suspect that such and such an offence has been committed ... And that is the first document that we have when we are opening an inquiry file as we are building up our case and investigating. Now, if it is not sufficient, we will go back and obtain a further statement
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A complainant's section 27 referral affidavit should not be withheld from the Defence and should be part of the docket and disclosed like other documents in the inquiry.

I do not understand why it had to be kept away from the Defence, because it is a complainant statement ... it should form part of the docket and be disclosed like all the other documents
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It is practical and proper that the section 27 referral affidavit be disclosed to all involved in the investigation since it is the source document.

it actually makes practical sense that it should be out there for all those involved in the investigation to see ... Because it is the source document for the investigation
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There was confusion and scramble in the IDA offices in October 2025 about the whereabouts of the section 27 referral affidavit, which was thought missing or destroyed.

on the 9th of October 2025 it did not exist because in File 10 on page 402 ... There was a scramble at IDA offices because people were looking for the section 27 ... nobody knew where it was ... they actually thought it is missing or it has been destroyed
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ADV Serunye was still asking about the existence of the section 27 referral affidavit at the end of October 2025 and was shown the document by Mr Perumal after that date.

during that period of October 2025, I was also looking for it ... as I have shown through the email I have sent to Mr Sesokoon on the 31st of October, I was still asking questions about the existence of this document ... So when Perumal showed me the document, it must be after 31 October
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The reason the section 27 affidavit is important is that it started the investigation and the lead prosecutor needs to have sight of it.

there is no controversy about what is the section 27 affidavit that started this investigation ... why it is important for the lead prosecutor to have sight of that section 27
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The initial request for the section 27 referral inquires about its existence around 31 October 2025 and requests a copy.

my email to Mr Sesokoon the 31st of October: I am asking, do we have a section 27 referral in this matter? And if so, where do we get a copy of it?
UNATTRIBUTED / ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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The true date of request for the section 27 referral was about 31 October 2025, not days after a management meeting in early September as initially stated.

your statement is incorrect where you say some days after the management meeting ... it looks like it is a month or two after ... it is actually about 31st of October 2025
ADV KHUMALOSC / ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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The arrests related to the investigation were premature and made before the investigation was complete.

ADV SERUNYE said that the verification of Ms Mokwele's qualifications, the analysis of financial and communication records, and the assessment of the appointment process should have preceded and not followed the arrest.
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Advocate Serunye was asked to oversee the Lushaba matter but found no case on the docket and questioned why General Lushaba, the victim, had been charged.

I was also asked to oversee the Lushaba matter, in which Advocate Ramsamy was the lead prosecutor. Having considered the docket, I was of the view that it disclosed no case. In particular, I did not understand why the complainant, General Lushaba, who on the face of the docket was the victim, had been charged.
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There was nothing in the docket to sustain a charge against General Lushaba; the matter was regarded as untenable and concerns were reported to the team and the Investigating Directorate (ID).

On page 232 of the material in the docket, there was nothing to sustain a charge against him, and I regarded the matter as untenable. I reported my concerns or views to the team and to the ID, as can be seen on Annexures PS11, 12, and 13.
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Advocate Serunye requested Mr Sesoko to attend a meeting to give feedback to the Investigating Directorate about his view that the docket disclosed no case.

I am then saying to them: 'I am going to request Mr Sesoko also attends so that he can give feedback to the ID about my views.' I wanted him to be part of the meeting, and I can confirm the meeting was then held.
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General Lushaba was charged with defeating the ends of justice and fraud because he had lost his items including a laptop and wallet containing bank and police cards after being drugged and robbed by a woman.

He was charged among others with defeating the ends of justice. He was charged for fraud, but all that emanated from the fact that he had lost his items. I think his laptop, his wallet, which had his bank cards and a police card, after being dropped off by one of his friends at his home with a certain lady.
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General Lushaba and his friend realized items were missing after a night when a lady was seen jumping over a fence carrying items, and the items were later recovered by activating the Counterintelligence agency though the charge sheet said the process of returning the items to Lushaba was improper.

The items were missing. In the docket, there is ... that Lushaba and his friend went to the house opposite his because there were cameras, and they could see this lady jumping over the fence in the middle of the night, having some items ... the items were then recovered after the Intelligence agency, the Counterintelligence agency was activated ... but the charge sheet says the process of giving him the items was wrong; they should have been sent for forensic analysis of fingerprints and many other things.
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Allegations existed and were unclear why General Lushaba was charged for fraud and defeating the ends of justice when he was a victim of a syndicate robbing and drugging people in Pretoria.

There were allegations that ... Lushaba's original statement was missing from the docket, and that the statement in the docket was made after the fact but did not make sense. ... This is a District Court matter, defeating the hands of justice against whoever removed Lushaba's initial complaint and statement ... this is what I am saying in the meeting... this is not the case ... he is a victim of what appeared to be a syndicate drugging victims and robbing them ...
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General Lushaba's bank card was used to buy liquor illegally the morning after he was robbed, raising doubts about the justification of charging him.

You can see General Lushaba's bank card being used the following morning after he had lost it. Somebody was buying liquor all over using the card. So I found it difficult how this man who had lost these items should suddenly then be charged.
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The police officer contacted by a person after the theft activated Crime Intelligence due to recognizing General Lushaba's wallet as belonging to a member of Crime Intelligence; this supports no cover-up allegation in the docket.

It can be because there is a statement in that docket from a police officer, a neutral police officer, who says that morning following the theft, Lushaba's place, he was contacted by a person, he named that person in the statement. This person says I picked up some items to the garage and because he knows the police officer is staying nearby, he took those items to the police officer and the police, this police officer activated Crime Intelligence because he could see from the card that this is a member's wallet and this member appears to be a member of CI. And the items were then taken to the police station ... And that is how, about a cover-up, there is nothing in the docket about that.
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General Lushaba's original affidavit was removed from the docket and replaced with a statement concerning the robbery; no evidence was found in the docket relating to a cover-up as alleged.

There is no thing in the docket about a cover-up. The only allegation is that it appears the original affidavit that Lushaba made was removed. But when I read that docket, I do not see anything of that sort ... I do not understand why Lushaba would complain and then cause his statement to be removed and replaced by another statement about the robbery.
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General Khumalo was charged in relation to this matter because he failed to discipline General Lushaba and was part of a cover-up.

What we have also heard about this is that General Khumalo is charged in respect of this because he did not discipline, he was part of a cover-up, he did not discipline General Lushaba.
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The accused in the chargesheet are Lushaba, Mr Mogashoa, Glenn Hudson, and Eugene Pitout. Pitout and Hudson are members of Crime Intelligence while Mogashoa is a police officer at the station.

Lushaba , Mr Mogashoa , Glenn Hudson , and one Eugene Pitout . These are the accused . And Pitout and Hudson , I think , are members of Crime Intelligence . Mogashoa is a police officer at the station .
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Investigators questioned how Mogashoa could have commissioned Lushaba's affidavit because Mogashoa had knocked off early that morning and could not have commissioned the affidavit.

The allegation was that how could he have commissioned Lushaba 's affidavit because apparently on that morning he had knocked off . So our investigators could not understand how he would have commissioned Lushaba 's affidavit .
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General Lushaba was arrested and charged, and the other three accused were also arrested and out on bail at the time.

General Lushaba was arrested , is being charged . These other three , were they also arrested ? Speaking under correction , I think they were , Commissioner , because I think they were on bail .
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The arrest related to this case happened before General Khumalo and others' arrests.

I think this case , or the arrest of this case , happened before the General Khumalo and others ' arrests . This one came first .
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ADV Serunye expressed concerns that the charges in the docket were badly crafted, containing duplicate and repetitive counts, lacking evidence, and no prima facie case was evident.

It was really badly crafted and not supported by evidence , most importantly . Questioning the charges themselves . The elements of the charges are lacking . There is no evidence to substantiate those charges . Also to say , some of them are duplicate charges .
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ADV Serunye did not provide the written report to the ID and Mr Sesoko due to events overtaking the matter, and ceased to be part of the case by 16 September.

I did not , Commissioners . I am saying I was overtaken by – everything was overtaken by events here . This is 29 August , and by 16 September , I then ceased to be part of the case . I did not write the report , but it is the emails I sent them to the ID .
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ADV Serunye stated that after reviewing the docket and submissions, they were still of the view that there was no prima facie or winnable case to be made, and planned to provide a written report to the Investigating Directorate and the team.

I am sorry to say that I am still of the view that we do not have a prima facie or winnable case . I will provide my written report to the ID , Mr Sesoko , and the team in due course .
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Neither the ID nor ADV Serunye's colleagues responded to the email about the charges and case issues, though a robust virtual meeting was held on 29 August where ADV Serunye presented their views.

No , the ID did not respond to me on the basis of this email , neither did the colleagues . The colleagues , at least , we had a meeting on the 29th . I remember it was a virtual meeting , a very robust one , where I sent out my views .
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Management meetings did not discuss the merits of the case since those present were not designated to be part of the case; any discussion would have been separate with Mr Sesoko and relevant people.

No , it was not discussed . I indicated in the management meeting , we would not have gone into the merits of cases because other people sitting in those meetings are not designated to be part of these cases . So , if anything , I would discuss separately with Mr Sesoko and the relevant people , but not with the other managers that are not designated in the case .
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There is usually a handover report when a docket and investigation move from one team to another, but it is unclear if Advocate Hlatswayo or Advocate Ramsamy performed a handover in this case.

Ideally , in a normal setup , there should be a handover report . In this case , I am not sure if Advocate Hlatswayo , who I left in the Mokwele / Khumalo case , did a handover . I am not sure if Advocate Ramsamy did a handover on this one .
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ADV Serunye does not know who prepared the chargesheet and did not find out, noting the matter was already in court.

Honestly , I do not know who prepared this chargesheet , Commissioner Baloyi . Like I said , the matter is already in court . I do not know .
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The chargesheet was also disclosed to the Defence from the date of the first appearance.

Which was also disclosed to the Defence from the date of the first appearance .
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Gratification charges seem to be a common fallback position used by IDAC and prosecutors when other charges are problematic.

gratifications seem to be your favourite – IDAC 's favourite fall back or default position . If you do not like someone , you charge them with gratification .
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ADV Serunye responded that corruption is a very serious offence in South Africa and that prosecutors and investigators follow the evidence rather than resorting to fallback gratification charges.

No t like that , Commissioner , but corruption is a very serious offence that this country is faced with . So I guess we all try to root it out , but we follow the evidence as prosecutors and investigators
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A debate has been had about whether gratification charges were properly formulated based on facts, with Advocate Serunye expressing difficulties; the same discussion occurred with the ID, Mr Padayachee, and Ms Ramsamy, indicating these charges are a default fallback in at least these cases.

We have had the debate about gratification , whether the charge has been – the charge is properly formulated on your facts , and you have expressed your difficulties with it . The same discussion was had with the ID , the same discussion was had with Mr Padayachee and Ms Ramsamy . So at least on these two cases , it seems to have been a default , maybe because nothing else works .
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Some prosecutors, including Advocate Serunye, were doing their work to the best of their abilities but were unaware of things happening behind their backs and being used improperly in opposing certain legal provisions (sections 63 and 65).

it appears to me that some of us were used – if you are giving instruction, go and oppose a 63. You go in, you think you are doing your work to the best of your abilities, go and oppose a 65.
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Chief Perumal had discussions with Major General Khan and obtained an unsigned provisional statement from Khan aimed at clarifying queries regarding the Lushaba incident, which was sent in an email to other investigators including prosecutors.

Chief Perumal indicated in an email that he has had a discussion with Major General Khan … and obtained a provisional statement aimed at clarifying some of the queries I was raising regarding the Lushaba incident. The unsigned statement of Major General Khan was attached to Chief Perumal's email.
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The affidavit prepared for General Khan regarding the Lushaba incident was unsigned, not part of the docket, and was obtained long after the fact, raising concerns about its timing and value.

The affidavit was never signed off. It is not part of the docket ... Why was it not obtained three years ago? Why is it done after the fact?
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Lushaba did not want General Khan, who was neutral and in charge of Counterintelligence at the time, to be involved or have knowledge of the incident.

The essence of the affidavit is that Lushaba did not want General Khan, who was neutral and in charge of Counterintelligence at the time, to be involved or bear knowledge of the incident.
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General Khan made a statement related to the Lushaba incident in 2022, and obtaining a statement from him was discussed only in August 2025, which caused concern due to the delay.

This is a 2022 incident ... General Khan says that during August 2022 ... obtaining a statement from him is being discussed in August 2025, end of August ... that is why you are concerned about time that has passed.
ADV BALOYISC / ADV SERUNYEDay 153 · 04 Aug 2026
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Despite queries raised about the Lushaba incident, Advocate Serunye was not referring investigators to General Khan to obtain an affidavit; General Khan later sent an affidavit that did not help and was never signed off.

I am querying a number of issues , but nothing about referring them to General Khan . And in his response to me , he came to the affidavit to say some of your queries can be answered by this . But I read it at the time . It was not helping ... it was never signed off and does not form part of the docket .
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The Lushaba matter is not considered an IDAC matter by Advocate Serunye because it does not meet IDAC's criteria for cases to be handled by that unit.

According to me, Commissioner Baloyi, it does not fall in that category of cases that must be, and I stated it in one of the emails.
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In both matters involving the Lushaba case, investigations were wanting, suspects should not have been arrested or charged, and the chargesheets were defective; procedural irregularities were observed where manuals and operations were not followed.

In both instances the investigations were wanting. They were not at a stage where suspects ought to have been arrested. The chargesheets you say are defective. Procedural irregularities where your own manuals and operations were not followed.
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Advocate Serunye and two prosecutors, Hlatshwayo and Ramsamy, raised complaints about investigators not listening to prosecutors and other issues in their emails and memos around August 2025.

I was also getting complaints from the prosecutors, Advocate Hlatshwayo and Advocate Ramsamy, saying about how the investigators are not listening ... some of the issues that I have been raising in my emails and in my memos, the two prosecutors also did the same. They showed me a document directed to the office of the ID with a lot of queries around August 2025.
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The relationship between prosecutors and investigators was not good, there were conflicts between these investigators and Crime Intelligence, and the cases were rushed to court with mistakes and loopholes, resulting in poorly conducted investigations.

the relationship between the prosecutors and investigators was not good ... they made a lot of mistakes here ... it appeared they were rushing this case ... there is some conflicts between these investigators and investigators in Crime Intelligence ... The two cases were not supposed to be in court ... The cases were not properly investigated
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Investigations into certain cases were flawed, rushed, and had loopholes, and some cases were not supposed to be in court.

this case has loopholes ... The two cases were not supposed to be in court
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The witness was raising issues by email about cases being rushed to court and questioning them with investigators and Mr Sesoko at the ID (likely investigating department).

my emails are telling the story. I am questioning and raising these issues, not only with the investigators, but with the ID, with Mr Sesoko, that these cases were rushed to court, and I am raising a lot of issues here.
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Rushing cases to court is not the worst problem; the real issue is that there was no case and investigation should not even have occurred.

it is not only an issue of rushing ... The issue is you do not have a case, and then the other, you should not even be investigating. So it is far worse than that.
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The cases discussed are exposing the investigation department to reflection; wrongdoing by ID officials, including premature arrests, required strategic planning and proper processes to be put in place.

these two cases are exposing us ... ID officials to do wrong things, arrest people prematurely ... We must go back ... have our strategic planning ... like you are saying ... know when a person is not doing things in accordance with the rules ...
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Incompetence is not accepted as a reason for people looking away or not addressing corruption or misconduct in the IDAC, indicating issues are deliberate rather than accidental.

I do not subscribe to incompetence on these facts here especially for an organisation like IDAC ... one would have to give up upon IDAC if one thought you are that incompetent ...
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85% conf.

Decisions about opposing bail or appeals in cases are controlled by persons whose roles were questioned as part of the witness engagement.

who makes the decisions about we are going to oppose bail or we are not opposing ... who makes a decision about we are going to oppose the appeal or we are not opposing ... we had that engagement with her ...
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A bail condition was imposed that the accused must not go to any Crime Intelligence office in the country, which was not requested by the State but was issued by the Magistrate after engagement with Ms Hlatshwayo concerning witness protection.

the bail condition , the contentious bail condition was imposed , which is the accused , they must not go to a Crime Intelligence office anywhere in the country... that condition was not asked for by the State , but we also know from the appeal record that there was an engagement between the Magistrate and Ms Hlatshwayo about the need to protect witnesses
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Ms Johnson testified she was unaware that the bail condition was not requested by the State and would have sought to address it with the court if she had been informed.

Ms Johnson testified ... she was not made aware that that bail condition was not requested by the State... she would have , as any prosecutor should , as a responsibility to the court and your ethical responsibility, is you go back to the Magistrate and you say you have to undo this
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Despite knowledge that the bail condition was not requested by the State, the prosecutor opposed the bail appeal instead of seeking to have the condition rescinded.

You knew that this bail condition was not asked for ... you did not do what Ms Johnson says any prosecutor would do ... you actually oppose the appeal on this condition , and you prepare the papers
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95% conf.

There is an ethical obligation for prosecutors to disclose favorable evidence to the accused and act fairly, not merely to secure convictions.

every prosecutor has an ethical duty when something like that has happened ... your job as a prosecutor is not to get a conviction or to get an incarceration at all costs
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Ms Johnson would have acted differently had she been briefed about the bail condition controversy because she did not understand how a condition barring access to all offices in the country could be imposed when the accused were only based in Pretoria.

Ms Johnson ... did not understand how you would have gotten a condition that they do not go to any office in the country , when in fact they are only based in Pretoria , and she did not understand , and that was wrong for it to be in the bail condition
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Adv Serunye claims he was not part of the case initially and was brought in to help juniors; he notes the prosecution team was unprepared for the bail application with no bail statement available from the investigating officer.

I was not part of this case ... My first involvement is going to court to try and help a junior ... I did not know how they had planned ... the prosecution were not even ready for the bail application because when I asked for a bail statement from the investigating officer , I realised they do not even have one
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According to Mr Padayachee, the prosecution was instructed to request the bail condition but did not do so; the bail condition was part of the prosecution's plan discussed with the ID head, though not asked for formally.

the prosecutor had been instructed to ask for that condition ... Padayachee said that ... they were supposed to ask for that bail condition , but it was not asked for ... their plan ... was not going to oppose bail , but these are going to be our conditions
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Adv Serunye finds it difficult to accept that Ms Johnson did not know about the bail condition because Mr Padayachee indicated it was to be requested.

I find it difficult when Advocate Johnson says she did not know about the condition , because based on what I hear from Mr Padayachee , they were supposed to ask for that bail condition
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Adv Serunye was brought in to oppose the upcoming bail amendment application, not by choice but because the Defence had a senior lawyer who warranted his involvement at that level.

I was brought in to oppose that ... because she says that the Defence has a lawyer who is senior in her own ... and therefore , I need you at that level
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The prosecutor imposed a bail condition without being asked, based on instructions from Advocate Hlatshwayo, which the magistrate then gave.

He said he told Hlatshwayo to ask for this condition. He is amazed also that it was not asked for. So that means the briefing was, ask for the condition. It was given without being asked for.
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judicial process
95% conf.

Adv Baloyi asserts that the bail condition was not asked for in court, and although the Magistrate imposed it on his own initiative, the prosecuting body opposed the appeal despite not being able to address the Magistrate or the accused at the time.

I was in court . That condition was not asked for . ... The Magistrate gave it of his own initiative . We did not get to address him . The accused did not . And as an ethical prosecutor or prosecuting body that we are , IDAC , we cannot or we should not oppose this appeal .
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Adv Serunye contends there was nothing wrong with what the Magistrate did as the Criminal Procedure Act allows such conditions in the interest of justice, even if not requested by the State or addressed at the time.

there was ... nothing wrong with what the Magistrate did ... the Criminal Procedure Act allows him to do what he did . Section 60 (12) says the Magistrate can impose any conditions which in the interest of justice would make him to come to it
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The defender states there was nothing wrong in defending the imposed bail condition as it was a condition the team wanted all along, though it was not requested by them.

There is nothing wrong, nothing on our side that we did wrong as the prosecution. And therefore to defend it was proper at the time because it is a condition that the team wanted all along. The only problem is that they did not ask for it.
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The magistrate is entitled by law to issue bail conditions and can deny bail even when the prosecution does not oppose it.

But on the side of the Magistrate, the Magistrate is entitled by law to issue those conditions. And even if we do not address him on, the Magistrate can even deny a cuse bail where we say that we are not opposing bail.
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There were no reasons given by the prosecution for the bail conditions in the appeal court.

Yes, but in this case there were no reasons. That is the way I – I have a problem with what you are saying that it is a point you had to concede in the Appeal Court, right? That in the absence of reasons.
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The prosecutor Ms Hlatshwayo took the position that there was no problem protecting witnesses because the accused did not know their names, yet the magistrate still gave bail conditions.

The prosecutor, Ms Hlatshwayo, takes that position. The Magistrate nonetheless gives her the bail condition.
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The then-boss of the defender had been misled by people going to court about the bail condition.

She was misled by people who went to court. So, colloquially, she is throwing you under the bus. Saying, and are you saying you disagree with her that that which she says should have happened that you should have gone back to the Magistrate, on appeal you should have been the one that volunteer to the court that this is what happened in the Lower Court?
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Advocate Serunye says she was involved in the case by instruction of Advocate Hlatshwayo to oppose the section 63 bail amendment application.

But when she comes before the Commission, she says something else that, as if I was doing things on my own. If she did not instruct me to be part of the case, I would not be sitting here today. She involves me in the case. I do not know what the brief to her was by Hlatshwayo, but she says specifically, because there is a senior lawyer involved there, I want a senior person to oppose this.
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Advocate Serunye engaged in High Court arguments referencing a Bloemfontein case where an official of the NPA committed fraud and was barred from entering NPA offices as a bail condition.

I engaged. The High Court judge took me to cases. I tried arguing for my case. I did not get their first thing conceded. I tried and I said, this is what the law says, this is what the Magistrate said, and these are case laws where I even referred the High Court to a case in Bloemfontein where an official of the NPA committed fraud against the NPA or the DPP's office, and one of the conditions thereby the Magistrate's Court was that he is barred from entering the NPA offices in the Free State.
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Advocate Serunye claims she was told to oppose the bail condition amendment application and did not receive instruction to amend the bail condition, as it was not requested.

She did not say to me, or to us at least, go and amend the bail condition because we did not ask for it. She said oppose the application. We do that, but in the back of my mind, I am not following, I cannot follow, I am not going to follow a wrong or an irregular or an unlawful instruction.
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Advocate Serunye states powers to impose bail conditions are with the magistrate, but the IDAC wanted the bail condition and the head told her to defend it.

The powers are with the Magistrate. It appears the IDAC wanted that condition. The head says to me, go and defend this.
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Advocate Serunye expresses regret for being portrayed as acting on her own without consulting, clarifying she acted under instructions to oppose the bail appeal.

I am very sorry for the head to come before this Commission and say, portray me as having acted on my own without consulting. It is just not true... I did my job to the best of my abilities.
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80% conf.

Colonel Padayachee left court without knowing the origin of the bail condition.

My recollection of Colonel Padayachee's evidence is that he says she does not know where this bail condition comes from. He left court while
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The accused were given a bail condition by a Magistrate prohibiting them from going to any Crime Intelligence office, which effectively suspended them from their offices and employment, though this condition was not asked for by the State prosecution in open court.

a condition of this type, which is the accused are prohibited going to any Crime Intelligence office across the country... the consequence of that condition is effectively they get suspended from their offices, from employment.
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90% conf.

If bail conditions like the ones given were discussed or set before coming to court it would badly impact freedom of movement and people’s livelihoods and families.

it will be a sad, sad, sad thing for justice in this country if cases were discussed in offices, especially conditions of this nature, which will have a very critical impact on people's livelihood and their freedom of movement and freedom to go to work and fend for their families.
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The bail condition given by the Magistrate was not discussed or asked for by the prosecution in open court and was only revealed after the hearing.

the prosecutor on that day... did not ask for the condition, but then it is given... it was not discussed, at least in court. No, not in my presence in court... that condition was not discussed or asked for by the prosecutors or by anyone.
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Advocate Johnson gave instructions approving an appeal based on Mr Padayachee’s affidavit and sent a WhatsApp message instructing Advocate Ramsamy to inform Advocates Serunye and Hlatshwayo, though Advocate Hlatshwayo did not ask for the bail condition in court.

Advocate Johnson gave instructions approving the appeal based on Mr Padayachee's affidavit and she then sent a WhatsApp to Advocate Ramsamy, instructing her to then inform Advocate Serunye and Advocate Hlatshwayo... but Advocate Hlatshwayo did not ask for that condition in court.
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