PKTT

Any investigation into the Impalas delivery to General Sibiya may involve IDAC, PKTT or Gauteng Counter Intelligence Operations (GCI Ops).

“It is the, what is it called, GCI, GCI Ops, GCS, GCI Ops, Gauteng Counter Intelligence Operations.”

Mr Matlala was pushed by Brown Mogotsi to open an IPID case regarding assault on his wife during the second raid but did not because his wife refused as she was not assaulted (though poked with rifle causing bruises) and Matlala realized he was being used as a tool against PKTT.

“on the second raid... he is the one also who said I must open a case in IPID. ... the way he was pushing me to open a case in IPID, I figured that this guy and whoever he is working with, they are really fighting with these people from the PKTT, and I am being used as a tool to fight that unit.”

The affidavit that Ms Ramsamy gave to Mr Raphesu contained various matters related to the PKTT, including references to Orlando CAS numbers and Villieria but not Cape Town CAS numbers.

“the affidavit that Ms Ramsamy gave you contained various matters related to the PKTT”

The message read that if you disband the PKTT (Police Key Task Team), something to that effect, but the witness could not see the exact sender or recipient.

“it was written there that if you disband the PKTT , something towards that , I cannot remember by head”

Mr Raphesu confirms there was no issue or surprise from the interaction involving the PKTT topic during the meeting with complainant and Mr Perumal.

“No at all, Chair. There was no issue.”

Mr Raphesu understood from the interaction that Mr Perumal is building on the Section 27 statement and referring to various topics including the PKTT and the forklift issue.

“So when you take his supplementary, you understood, you understood from that interaction that he is building, he knows he is building on the section 27. That he spoke about the various topics.”

The grouping of cases involved Lushaba, Madondo, Forklift and PKTT, with no issue related to the name mentioned (Mokwele).

“When we were grouping the cases. It was Lushaba, Madondo, Forklift and PKTT...so if the name could have came up, it will have maybe just randomly came, but not in the context of it being a case to be investigated.”

Mr Adams showed messages during a meeting purportedly received from Minister Mchunu or Mr Cedric Nkabinde from Lieutenant General Mkhwanazi of the PKTT, which Ramsamy did not read or find interesting and returned the phone.

“I recall that during the meeting Mr Adams showed us messages that he had received from either Minister Mchunu directly or from Mr Cedric Nkabinde. ... These messages were allegedly from Lieutenant General Mkhwanazi from the PKTT. I did not read the messages. If frankly was not interested. And I just handed the phone back to Mr Adams.”

Mr Adams said the messages threatened to arrest Minister Mchunu if PKTT were shut down on 6 January 2025.

“Mr Adams said that the messages were Lieutenant General Mkhwanazi threatening to arrest Minister Mchunu if the PKTT were shut down.”

The allegations about the PKTT were included prominently in Mr Adams's section 27 affidavit, but the flighted version of that affidavit made no mention of the PKTT.

“The allegations about the PKTT featured prominently in Mr Adams's section 27 affidavit, yet the one flighted makes no mention of the PKTT.”

The section 27 referral affidavit contained allegations of procurement irregularities regarding the procurement of a forklift and vehicles for the PKTT including awarding tenders.

“The section 27 referral affidavit I considered contained allegations of procurement irregularities regarding the procurement of a forklift by Crime Intelligence and procurement of vehicles for the PKTT, hence the reference to awarding tenders in the section 28(13) application and authorisation.”

The flighted section 27 referral affidavit was produced after Lieutenant General Mkhwanazi's press briefing on 6 July 2025 where he stated that IDAC was investigating the PKTT.

“My suspicion is that the flighted section 27 referral affidavit was produced at that stage and after Lieutenant General Mkhwanazi's press briefing on the 6th of July 2025, where he stated that IDAC was investigating the PKTT.”

The flighted section 27 referral affidavit makes no reference to the PKTT, whereas the December 2024 version does, and no record exists of the December 2024 version other than the original returned to Advocate Johnson on 6 December 2024, which was not produced.

“I do not think it is a coincidence that the flighted section 27 referral affidavit makes no reference to the PKTT, whereas the version I saw in December 2024, does. And now there is no record of that version, other than the original that I returned to Advocate Johnson on the 6th of December 2024, which was not produced, and in respect of which Mr Perumal tried to create the narrative that I had misplaced the original.”

Mr Raphesu's supplementary affidavit does not mention PKTT, despite it being the basis of an investigation under section 27.

“Mr Raphesu supplementary affidavit that speaks about the PKTT when the section 27 ... says nothing about the PKTT”

Despite PKTT not being mentioned in the section 27 affidavit, its investigation was not precluded and could be pursued via a section 28(13) addendum.

“even though it is not in the section 27 affidavit... we should still investigate it... I would have still asked to do an addendum”

Ms Ramsamy was specifically instructed not to mention PKTT in her section 28(13) affidavit and to keep details vague.

“I was told specifically not to mention PKTT... I was told keep it vague”

Adv Sello SC asserted that IDAC's investigations targeting Generals and the PKTT fell wholly outside IDAC's mandate under section 7(1)(A) and flouted legislative prescriptions, risking the destabilisation of law enforcement institutions.

“all that we have discussed about these investigations and aiming at the Generals and the PKTT is wholly outside the mandate of IDAC as we understand it, as contemplated in terms of section 7(1)(A). That is my assessment. And if you strongly deny that there is a hand in this, I would like you to explain to the Commissioners on what basis, because this entire effort and exercise cannot have been to the benefit of IDAC. It is not to the benefit of the country to flout legislative prescriptions in the manner that it would appear have been flouted by IDAC consistently and deliberately, and then to offer an explanation for why IDAC would conduct itself in such a manner, which conduct has the risk to destabilise the law enforcement environment and institutions.”

Secret Service funds were allegedly used to purchase resources for the PKTT task team, which was previously led by Divisional Commissioner of Crime Intelligence Lieutenant General Khumalo, who has close ties with former Minister B.H. Cele, and these resources were allegedly procured for the benefit of Mr. B.H. Cele and others.

“Secret Service funds were used to purchase resources for PKTT, ... led by Divisional Commissioner of Crime Intelligence, Lieutenant General Khumalo, who has close ties with the former Minister, ... benefit of Mr B H Cele and others”

The PKTT task team is not part of the section 27 affidavit and there was no known investigation into PKTT affairs until recently when an allegation in a supplementary affidavit supporting a call for an investigation was found.

“complaints concerning the PKTT do not form part of the section 27 affidavit ... you advised that you were not aware of any investigation into the PKTT ... there is an allegation in the supplementary which supports a call for an investigation”

Advocate Johnson admitted he should have asked questions about paragraph 6 of Annexure B related to the PKTT but did not.

“I do not dispute that I should have asked questions ... I signed it as I signed it ... I appreciate that I should have and that I did not ask deeper questions and I did sign it.”

At the time Advocate Johnson signed a summons, he was aware of the issue about the PKTT and that it was controversial.

“at that time you signed this summons, you were aware that there was any issue about the PKTT ... and also that the issue raised some controversy, correct?”

Advocate Johnson explained he signed the document either because he engaged with Mr Perumalan and was satisfied or because he was unaware of a PKTT investigation and should have asked deeper questions.

“either I engaged and was engaged with Mr Perumalan and was satisfied ... or I was unaware of a PKTT investigation and so I should have asked deeper questions.”

Advocate Johnson acknowledged that paragraph 6 of Annexure B refers to the promotions of PKTT commanders and members through deviation processes.

“paragraph 1 talks to the deviation of appointment of Lieutenant General Khumalo ... paragraph 6 ... original documentary files and applications for promotions ... commanders and members of the PKTT through deviation, they tied into the deviation process.”

Advocate Johnson accepted there was no sinister reason for not asking deeper questions about the PKTT issue and that he signed the document without asking more questions.

“I do not have a sinister reason for not having asked more ... I did not ask more ... I accept you that I should have asked more ... I can not get away from the fact that I did sign it.”

Advocate Johnson followed the sequence of appointments and deviations related to Lieutenant General Khumalo as a basis to sign the document regarding the PKTT, despite not addressing paragraph 6 entirely.

“I followed that sequence of appointments, deviations ... promotion of Lieutenant General Khumalo by deviation ... So it made sense in that regard.”

The investigation into the Political Killings Task Team (PKTT) was not initiated based on a complaint by Mr. Adams, but rather appears to be driven by other motives or a "hidden hand" within Crime Intelligence.

“this is not Mr Adams' complaint ... this is now something else altogether”

The summons or investigation documentation issued on behalf of IDAC relating to the PKTT was prepared by Mr. Perumal and approved without clear justification, raising questions about a probable "hidden hand" or undisclosed motives.

“this subpoena was prepared by Mr Perumal ... may be acting on the instruction of a hidden hand”

Funds from the Secret Service fund were used to purchase resources for the PKTT, which is an accusation not supported by the summons document and cannot form the basis for the inquiry.

“it says nothing about commanders and members of PKTT. It in fact says funds were used from the Secret Service fund to purchase resources for the PKTT. That is an accusation or allegation that is not and can never be the basis for the inquiry”

The manner in which IDAC responded to Mr Adams' complaints feeds the narrative of a coordinated attack against General Khumalo and perhaps General Mkhwanazi linked to PKTT, as supported by evidence seen so far.

“the manner in which IDAC responded to Mr Adams' complaint at the very least is feeding the narrative ... there appears to be an active coordinated attack, at least against General Khumalo ... General Mkhwanazi, to the extent that he is associated with PKTT, perhaps.”

An IDAC summons including PKTT was issued without apparent basis, reinforcing suspicions PKTT was targeted.

“There is also the summons that you signed where there does not seem to be any basis for the inclusion of the PKTT. So that is another dot that feeds into the suspicion of the PKTT being targeted.”

Minister Mcunu had written a letter purporting to disband or disbanded the PKTT prior to April last year.

“the minister, Minister Mcunu, had written a letter in terms of which he purported to disband the PKTT. Or maybe let me say he purported to disband or disbanded the PKTT.”

Advocate Johnson was not aware or had no engagements regarding the purported disbandment of the PKTT at the time he signed a document in April last year.

“I f i t w a s i n t h e m e d i a a t t h a t t i m e , I w o u l d h a v e b e e n a w a r e . B u t I h a v e n o t h a d e n g a g e m e n t s i n t h a t r e g a r d .”

It was generally known in the media space that the PKTT's disbandment was being discussed by the time of signing the document.

“If it was in the media space, yes, I would have most certainly known that that is what was being discussed.”

The disbandment or purported disbandment of the PKTT was controversial.

“disbandment or purported disbandment was controversial.”

Mentioning PKTT in a generalised investigation of all members should have raised curiosity in Advocate Johnson's mind to look more closely at why PKTT was included.

“surely then mention of the PKTT in the manner in which it is mentioned , a generalised investigation of all PKTT members should have raised curiosity in your mind .”

Advocate Johnson stated he was not aware of an investigation into PKTT despite documents related to PKTT being obtained from IDAC, implying IDAC was investigating PKTT.

“Chair , as I indicated , I was not aware of an investigation into the PKTT . I have made sure I have checked with those who are the custodians of the documents that if I missed something , the project manager would at the very least have been able to refresh my mind and indicate we actually do have an investigation and this is what it is .”

Documents from 3373 to 3383 in the file relate to performance assessments of PKTT from 2018 to 2022, suggesting IDAC was investigating PKTT.

“if you take it from 3373 all the way to 3383 , those are all PKTT documents and IDAC can only obtain these documents if IDAC is conducting an investigation into the PKTT . That must follow .”

The issue discussed is person specific and covers all PKTT members from commanders to the most junior.

“it is person specific. That is number 1. Number 2, when you look at number 6, it is ...Quite wide ... It refers to all PKT T members, from commanders all the way down to the most junior”

The Chairperson suggested Advocate Johnson was not truthful when he claimed to be unaware of issues around the PKTT despite widespread publicization.

“I want to suggest to you that you were not truthful when you suggested that you were not really aware of any issues around the PKT T which would have caused alarm bells to ring in your mind ... you were not being truthful this morning.”

Advocate Johnson denied that alarm bells were going off in his mind about PKTT issues at the time because it was a police matter and IDAC was not working with PKTT.

“No, Chair, the alarm bells not going on ... This had been a, it was a police matter at the time that it was being canvassed. We were not working with the PKTT at the time.”

Chairperson found it strange that Advocate Johnson and IDAC did not raise alarm bells about an issue that was topical and controversial around PKTT.

“I must just conclude this by saying I find it strange that it did not, as you suggested, did not.”

Chairperson finds it hard to believe Advocate Johnson's claim that alarm bells did not go off regarding PKTT issues.

“let me outright say that I find it hard to believe what you are saying in this regard.”

Advocate Johnson stands by his view that IDAC did not raise alarm bells about PKTT matters at the relevant time.

“I stand by what I say about it did not raise alarm bells for me.”

Advocate Johnson cannot recall having met with the Minister (Minister Mchunu) to discuss matters related to PKTT or disbandment during the period from 31 December to April 2025.

“No.”

Minister Mchunu called a meeting with Advocate Johnson and Head of DPCI about a criminal allegation unrelated to PKTT, and Johnson informed the Minister he reports to the Minister of Justice and asked to be excused.

“Minister Mchunu called myself and the Head of the D P C I to a meeting and there was a matter that he wanted to raise. It had nothing to do with the PKTT. In that meeting, I informed the Minister that unfortunately I report to the Minister of Justice and that this matter, if it had to be dealt with, can it please be dealt with by General Lebeya and then I asked if I could be excused and they carried on with the matter.”

Advocate Johnson states no discussion of PKTT took place in his presence at the meeting with Minister Mchunu.

“Not in my presence.”

Advocate Johnson cannot remember discussing PKTT with Minister Mchunu at all.

“Yes, I cannot remember discussing the PKTT with the Minister.”

Adv Johnson was unaware of any PKTT investigation at the time he approved the summons but takes responsibility for signing it.

“I honestly said I was unaware of a PKTT investigation. I understand it is not reconciling with this and why I signed it. I, however, have to take responsibility for having signed this.”

The Chairperson clarifies that IDAC was not investigating PKTT, implying a distinction between awareness of an investigation and the existence of an investigation.

“IDAC was not investigating the PKTT. Just now, you said you were not aware of an investigation. Big difference.”

Adv Johnson states he checked with the project manager and Mr Padayachee and confirmed there was no PKTT investigation.

“I checked with the project manager. There is no PKTT investigation. I checked with Mr Padayachee. There is no PKTT investigation.”

Adv Johnson had no discussions with anyone from IDAC, Civil Society, or Crime Intelligence about the PKTT and related allegations.

“Have you had any discussion at all about the PKTT and allegations against the PKTT ... ? Not yet.”

There are six independent investigations related to the inquiry, including four supplementary affidavits commissioned by Investigator Rapetsu, addressing the forklift issue, high-ranking officials' security clearances and promotions, concern about General Lushaba, and the use of Secret Service funds to purchase resources for the PKTT.

“... six independent investigations ... four supplementary affidavits ... forklift ... high-ranking officials security clearances and promotions ... General Lushaba ... use of Secret Service funds to purchase resources for the PKTT ... manipulation of procurement processes ... Langlaagte looked at forklifts and procurement ... matter disclosed Sunday evening dealing with appointments and vetting still under investigation ... makes six ...”

There are no allegations related to the PKTT in the official section 27 affidavits of Investigator Rapetsu, Advocate Ramsamy, and Chief Perumal, suggesting a discrepancy in the allegations against PKTT.

“our section 27 does not have any reference to PKTT at all ... I do not know ... it makes no sense”

IDAC was not aware of investigations or allegations made against PKTT members such as Mr Matlala and Katiso Molefe.

“IDAC is not aware of these cases that were made, be they by Mr Matlala about the ft, by Katiso Molefe, the ballistic case, or any other case that has been made against any of the PKTT members. They are not all allegations that IDAC is looking at.”

IDAC's investigators withheld details of investigations into PKTT from management, resulting in a lack of awareness of such investigations.

“I can accept that, but then it suggests that your investigators withheld from you some detail on some of these investigations. From the reading of your transcript at AdHoc, it would appear that you are not even aware that PKTT was being investigated, or considered for investigation.”

There appears to be confusion or discrepancy over the existence of multiple Section 27 affidavits concerning the PKT reference, with at least two different versions being discussed.

“The section 27 affidavit we have been sitting with here and working on is not their section 27 affidavit. The section 27 affidavit ... had references to the forklift purchase and had direct reference to the PKTT, both of which are missing in our version. So I am saying there appears to be two when there should be only one”

One Section 27 affidavit dated December 2025 is referenced which was the only one on that date, but it is not the one in their files; this affidavit referenced PKTT and forklift purchases.

“the supplementary affidavit on 3493, it is dated December 2025. These three people were together in Cape Town on that date. And the simple point Advocate Sello is making is that on that date ... there was only one section 27 affidavit, and it is not the one that is in our files. It is the one that made reference to PKTT and forklifts and other things”

There is uncertainty about which Section 27 affidavit Advocate Johnson looked at in early or mid December 2024, especially regarding references to PKTT and forklifts.

“I cannot recall ... I can not recall seeing forklift and the PKTT ... No that I am not recalling ... No now that you are putting it to me, I cannot give you a definitive answer. I do not know which one I saw... This one is the most familiar, let me put it that way...”

IDAC had no grounds to investigate PKTT as per allegations heard by Advocate Johnson, indicating no evidence to support interference claims.

“According to me, there is nothing for us to look at in PKTT, regardless of what allegations may have come to the fore.”

If Witness N's face and identity are disclosed, the PKTT would need to replace almost the entire team and reconstitute it for the Fort Hare investigations, which could have an unintended negative impact on the original investigation.

“"The disclosure of her face and her identity will by definition extend to them members of her protection team. That would require the PKTT to replace almost the entire team that has been seen in her presence and reconstitute the team for the purposes of the Fort Hare investigations. Her employers expressed serious concerns with that and their unintended impact on the original investigation for which she is tasked."”

The inquiry references allegations relating to General Khumalo involving the PKTT, including appointment of family members and other issues.

“General Khumalo by the PKTT, or is that what you refer to as allegations?”