Referred to as: L T - G E N S H I B I R I · Lieutenant General Genshibiri · LT-GENSHIBIRI · Lieutenant Genshibiri · LT Genshibiri · M A J - G E N S H I B I R I · Major Genshibiri
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LT-Genshibiri was pressured not to mention names related to a faction and chose not to reveal any names to avoid speculation without evidence.
“that is why I am saying it was when I was pressed ... I said I choose not to mention the names”
LT-Genshibiri indicated the faction he referred to was General Sibiya's side, not Mr Molefe's family or the National Commissioner's side.
“it is not the family, it is not Mr Molefe's family ... it is General Sibiya's side”
LT-Genshibiri was on leave from 27 November 2024 and was not working on 6 December 2024 during the police takedown operation.
“I understood you to say that you were on leave even on the day of the operations ... from the 27th of November”
LT-Genshibiri confirmed a call he made to Witness A on 7 December 2024 was a follow-up from General Sibiya's request about feedback on detainee Lucky Molefe.
“the 16 December call that you made to Witness A was to follow up upon General Sibiya's request from you about feedback on the detention status of Mr Molefe... Correct?”
LT-Genshibiri stated when Molefe was taken from his residence, he informed Molefe's family members present and his attorney that Molefe would be taken to Pretoria Central Police Station.
“I informed his family members who were present that we would be taking him to Pretoria Central Police Station and I also informed his attorney”
Witness A does not recall any call with LT-Genshibiri on 7 December but only has record of a call on 6 December about the arrest of Lucky Molefe.
“Witness A is adamant that he does not recall you calling him on the 7th of December. He only has a record of the call of the 6th of December”
LT-Genshibiri said he was looking for itemized billing for his private state phone to verify calls, but Vodacom could not assist in November 2025. He believes he phoned Brigadier Nama on 7 December about the unit that made the arrest.
“I was also looking on my itemized billing for the state phone ... I phoned first Brigadier Nama on the 7th ... because I did not know which unit from the province have made such an arrest when I was asked to establish on the 7th.”
LT-Genshibiri said Colonel Mokoena told him they were busy but would come back soon when he enquired about Lucky Molefe's detention as the family had complained to the DNC.
“Colonel Mokoena ... said he will come back to me sooner, they are busy ... I received a call that the family complained to the DNC that they do not know where he is detained”
LT-Genshibiri called on 16 December to enquire about the charges Lucky Molefe was arrested for, after receiving an invitation and before returning to work on 17 December.
“I phoned on the 16th ... I knew on the 17th I am going back to work and I forgot to ask what he was arrested for. That was the reason why I was phoning on the 16th, not to enquire about his arrest, to enquire about the charges which he was arrested for.”
An unnamed speaker stated that by the stage of LT-Genshibiri's follow-up enquiries, Lucky Molefe had already had his first court appearance on 9 December.
“But General, by that stage, he had already had his first appearance ... he appeared on the 9th of December”
An unnamed speaker questioned why LT-Genshibiri would need to enquire about Lucky Molefe's arrest after his court appearance if following up on General Sibiya's request, and why there was reluctance to report back to General Sibiya about this.
“Why would you need to enquire about that? He appeared on the 9th of December... why the reluctance to report back to the other side being General Sibiya ... Why the reluctance?”
Lt-Gen Shibiri confirms he did not see alleged involvement of Mr Matlala in the R 5,000,000 benefit before September 2024.
“The only thing you just did not get to know about was the alleged participation or involvement of Mr Matlala in that context . ... And the R 5000000 benefit . ... That is correct . I saw in …”
Lt-Gen Shibiri states he did not comment on the 2021 allegations at the time because he was at CIS and assisting DPCI with investigations.
“I was at CIS and a lot of things which were happening regarding that was at DPCI . Ours was to assist them with the investigation and giving people . So it might have slipped me not seeing that , but I saw it on 2024 .”
On the 17th of September 2024, Lt-Gen Shibiri first became aware of the allegations concerning Mr Matlala via a chat message involving himself and Sergeant Nkosi.
“I first became aware of the allegations concerning Mr Matlala . ... On the 17th . ... You and Sergeant Nkosi are sharing an article about Mr Matlala .”
Mr Matlala allegedly blackmailed Lt-Gen Shibiri and offered him a loan amidst accusations of fraud and murder.
“And it was because he had called you out to tell you that he has been blackmailed ? ... He sent that thing . ... That is where I saw the 5 million . ... That is exactly what the blackmail was about .”
Lt-Gen Shibiri admits that when he took or accepted a loan from Mr Matlala on 17 or 18 September 2024, he was aware of the accusations against Matlala including murder, fraud and corruption.
“So even if you did not know ... about these things in 2021 , on the day when you take a loan or you accept a loan from him , you are aware of all these things because you have been made aware of them the day before or at least on the same day . ... That is the simple point .”
Lt-Gen Shibiri acknowledges he repaid part of the loan in cash (R20,000) in November 2024, and the remaining R50,000 was paid by bank transfer in December 2024 after two raids at Mr Matlala's premises.
“You say you paid it in cash . ... That is correct . ... In December , ... there is payment of R 50000 to complete the amount of R 70000 . And at least there is a record of that because the R 50000 was paid into a bank account . ... Yes . ... This payment of R 50000 is made after there have been two raids of Mr Matlala 's premises . ...”
Lt-Gen Shibiri rejects the suggestion that he laundered the money received from Mr Matlala by repaying it as a loan to make it appear legitimate.
“I think I have been in the police for so long ... if I wanted Mr Matlala to give me money which is not a loan , I could have preferred that he give me in cash so that there would not be any trail …”
The repayment arrangement was agreed for December when Lt-Gen Shibiri would pay the full amount as he received a bonus then; he repaid R20,000 early from selling stock and then paid the remainder later in December 2024.
“Our arrangement was month-end , December , because I get my bonus that time , and that is how we agreed to say when I get money that time , I get my bonus , I will pay you the whole R 70000 . And the reason I paid the R 20000 is because I managed to sell some of my stock , because now and then they get stolen . And then I said , well , let me now reduce the debt from him . So , hence , I paid him back in December .”