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Mthakathi Mswazi or the family, in addition to giving the document, also had a meeting with the highest offices and conveyed information about the cases.
“Mr Mthakathi Mswazi , or the families , or the family , in addition to giving you this document , also had a meeting with the highest offices and conveyed that information to them is what you understood ?”
Lt-Gen Shibiri stated that the reason for reporting to 'the family' was that they were the ones who called General Sibiya complaining about not knowing the detention status of Mr. Molefe.
“They are the ones who phoned him... they wanted to know where, they were complaining about not knowing where he is detained.”
Lt-Gen Shibiri had a conversation on the 7th where the family and attorney knew about an arrest, but on the 16th, he mentioned wanting information for the other side, implying it was not for the family.
“You are satisfied that the family knows because the attorney knows ... So on the 16th when you say he wants it for the other side, it cannot be the family”
Col. Mokoena and Brigadier Gopane promptly explained to the family and lawyer the whereabouts of the arrested person and said there was nothing wrong.
“Colonel Mokoena and Brigadier Gopane were promptly explained that the family was explained where the person was and the lawyer was explained where the person was and there was nothing wrong”
Lt-Gen Shibiri was not bothered by the family asking about the arrested person but wanted full information to explain when asked.
“I was not bothered by that the family asked ... I wanted full information so that when I explain if I am asked, I explain in full”
Lieutenant-General Shibiri was phoned by General Sibiya to establish the detention status of a detainee unknown to the family.
“I was phoned by the General to say he received a complaint that the family does not know where the suspect has been detained and I must establish the detention status.”
Lieutenant-General Shibiri stated that the detained person's lawyers have been informed and that it cannot be 'the otherside' since it must be the family, although there is division within the police.
“What I know for a fact is the family had interest. But yes, I know he has got police who are close to him, including myself. I am quoted to be one who is close to him. But it was me who was supposed to report. So I said maybe the other side might be the police or the family.”