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A deposit of R70,000 was made by Mr Matlalala into General Shibiri's son's account, increasing the balance to R81,000.
“The very first one, it shows the deposit of R70000 by Mr Matlala. Do you see that?”
LT-GEN SHIBIRI explains that the money he borrowed was based on what his son told him to say and fluctuated to a higher amount, and that there was no piling up of money.
“And what I borrowed initially from my side, it was what was told to my son to say it can reach 55. But on his advice to say, hey, things fluctuate, it can go high and so forth, it is better you take the higher one. As you are saying, you will be having the money whatsoever. So there is nothing I am piling up or adding up which was not there.”
General Shibiri confirms the payment of R70000 was made into his son's account on 18 September 2024, related to the celebration in Tzaneen, not directly to his own account.
“And the payment was made to your son of the R70000. When was that? ... 18 September 2024 ... Yes ... It was not to your account ... It was paid into your son's account ... That transaction is for the R70000 ... And the names were given to him, and for that reason ... The money was used for ... I sent it, I paid the money after three months.”
General Shibiri claims the money was a loan from Mr Matlala, not a payment for celebration, and Mr Matlala knew the money was transferred into his son's account.
“It was a loan to me ... Mr Matlala never refers ... he testified it was given to my son ... I become angry, immediately send it back ... I sent it, I paid the money after three months ... Mr Matlala knew that the account is for my son and I gave him that account in order for him to transfer the money to that account.”
Lt-Gen Shibiri denies hiding money by directing payments from Mr Matlala to his son's bank account, insisting all transactions are traceable as both share the surname Shibiri.
“No, I was not hiding anything. Your account will always show where you deposed the money and the surname will show. He is Shibiri, I am Shibiri, so there is no way to conceal it.”
Advocate Baloyi suggests the payment into Lt-Gen Shibiri's son's account was intended to hide the origin of money paid from Mr Matlala to Lt-Gen Shibiri, which Shibiri denies.
“I am trying to put to you is the payment into your son's account was to hide that Mr Matlala gave money to you. That is the suggestion...”
Lt-Gen Shibiri admits it is understandable investigators would check family ties and money movement to verify loan repayments to Mr Matlala, asserting transparency in the transactions.
“If you investigate, there will be investigation to my relation with you to check if you gave me money or not... that is how the investigation goes. So there is no way you could miss that.”