Referred to as: payment reference · Papi
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Payments between Gubis and Gabotje are referenced as Pap i, which is not a person but a reference used in financial documents.
“any payment between Gubis and Gabotje is referenced as Papi. It has nothing to do, with respect, with a person called Papi, but that is the reference that seems to be used, and not as Papi Mogashoa, as Mr Phiri is suggest”
Major Phiri confirms payments recorded under the name Papi on bank statements are related to payments between Gubis and Gabotje.
“They are using the name Papi, yes. ... Yes, the same Papi we see on your bank statement as well”
Major Phiri states the payments discussed are made in 2024 but disclaims knowledge of any relationship between Papi, Gubis, and William Masupye.
“The payments are made in 2024. My point is, I do not know the relationship between Papi and Gubis and William Masupye. They might be doing their own things somewhere”
Advocate Mosikili states there is no person called Papi in the payment records and it is a reference used to trace payments.
“there is no person called Papi. It is just a reference being used to trace the payments so that it is known who they come from. Or at the very least, if there is a person called Papi, then that Papi is always linked to Mr Masupye”
Major Phiri admits he is not a forensic investigator and does not know why Papi is mentioned on the papers but has asked Papi about the matter.
“I am not a forensic investigator. I am not. I will not know why Papi is mentioned on these papers, but I will know that I asked Papi”
Major Phiri confirms payments in 2024 might be a go-between between William Masupye and other people, but this is an assumption.
“They are made in 2024. They are not made to me. So it might be happening, we are talking about 000,4000, it might be that Papi is a go-between between William Masupye and other people, and then for him, maybe, it is an assumption. And I say it is an assumption on my side because in my line of work, an assumption will kill you faster than a bullet”