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Major Phiri explained that the payments made to Ramalepe were for various businesses related to chauffeuring and catering, but he did not verify whether the bank account given was actually Ramalepe's.
“when they gave me the account, I did not verify that it was Ramalepe... but I knew that I was paying for their drowning businesses, the chauffeur business and they had a shop like catering business...”
Two gentlemen, Mpiani Setaku Janki and Maluleka Stanley Rasmatei, who have worked with service providers in the City for the past 15 years, knew that if anyone is in trouble they could ask Major Phiri for a loan and then repay later.
“Mpiani Setaku Janki is an employee there. Maluleka Stanley Rasmatei is an employee there... They do everything... So they knew that if you are in trouble, you can ask Mr Phiri for borrow money and then... pay you back... These two gentlemen... They came with Aluwani, and then they were presenting two businesses and Ramalepe...”
Major Phiri states individuals linked to service providers and the City of Tshwane repay him money for services he provides, which is unrelated to official City business.
“many people are paying me a lot of money for what I do for them and I am not in the business of doing , of working . I do not register companies . I assist . People call me from Limpopo . Dealerships ask me , Mr Phiri , it is a pity that I got involved with these people and I saw that their business were drowning ... So I know them ... you will see that people are paying me a lot of money and it has got nothing to do with City of Tshwane”
Major Phiri says he borrows money from longtime acquaintances Jankia and Maluleke in small batches over months, denies any intention of borrowing a large sum, and states these transactions are personal and unrelated to City of Tshwane.
“I will say no . I will say no . I regard them as friends . I have known Jankia and Maluleke for 15 years . They did not start working . They worked at Ramalepe when Ramalepe got a contract ... Sometimes I will borrow them money and tell them I need it in 2,000 batches for 10 months . Well , I have given them 15,000 and then they will comply . And I have no nefarious intentions of borrowing someone 1 million”